Batman lovers HELP with Poison Ivy!!!

[AnnitaSims]

This is my BEST sim (and DC hero), Poison Ivy. Actually, i don't like the way she is sketched at the comics or in the videogames, sometimes she looks more like a man rather than woman!So i've made my own version of her where she is sweet, sexy and juicy!

http://i49.tinypic.com/9v9kli.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/t6tspj.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/2ahgtvk.jpg

I've been hearing opinions that she needs a more curved body, or her face is not unique and that she does not give the sense to others that she can be only the Poison Ivy and no one other!
Is it true?Please let me know what do you think, i used to think that she was perfect but now i am having doubts...
Every opinion highly appreciated. :)

[MistyBlue]

She looks good, but her facial structure looks too much like a default Maxis template. You should work on that bit, it will make a great difference ;) For her body, you could use some curvy body mesh, I know there are some, but I don't have the link at the moment. I'd also like to see her with bigger hair, not sure is there a suitable free hair, but I'll take a look.

I hope you'll keep working on her, she does have potential! :bunny:

[AnnitaSims]

Oh,thank you,that's realy encouraging( i was about to abadon her after the rejection letter)but her face is a real problem...I dont want to make her face like the picture..i made her like this because i wanted her like this.. The letter says the same, she's not unique.If i change her face, she will not be a Poison Ivy for me, but a strainger..As for the skin, i think it is the appropriate skin, it is green with small leaf textures and shiny..
I can't find anything wrong with her so that she should be rejected! :(

[MistyBlue]

The skin is good, I just thought a body mesh which is a bit more curvy would look better. I honestly do think her face is not unique enough, no offense, but you could play around with sliders a bit and see where that takes you. You don't have to change her to a point where she won't be Poison Ivy to you, only make her face stand out more. I say this because it is the only way you'll get her accepted here.

[AnnitaSims]

Well, if you say it..it must be true....I gonna change her face and make her somehow more attractive.
How do i use a body mesh?(And where do i find it) is it the cloth she is wearing i have to change?I feel confused..

[MistyBlue]

It doesn't really matter what I think or say, it's just a rule here, a sim's face really has to stand out to get through. I had my sims rejected several times for not being unique enough, it can be frustrating, especially when you think they look great just as they are :) She is pretty tho, just tweak her to stands out from a crowd more.

You can get a nude body mesh (basically it's "clothing") and then edit/recolor it as you wish. Here you go:

Warlokk body meshes (http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=90605)

Hope it helps!!

[Vampire_of_Death]

If you need help as far as the facial structure goes, post up a picture of her with only maixs content, meaning items that came with the game, a nice closeup of her face. If you want your sim to look like the lovely picture you included, I have some suggestions, if you want them, let me know!

Also, as per the rules, you have to create some content for your sim if you want to upload her.

Create Content For Your "Other" Sims: While we appreciate the effort you may spend tweaking your sim's face sculpt, sims uploaded to the "other" category wearing a bunch of content not made by the uploader, even with a non-Maxis face, are unlikely to be accepted. With over 100 pages worth of "Other" sims already uploaded, the goal is not just to create a unique face but a truly unique overall look that gives someone a good reason to download your sim over the 2500+ already on the site. Create a new hair recolour, eyes, beauty marks, lipstick, clothing, or the like for your sim to create a unique overall look that truly adds to the feeling and look of your sim. For good examples of what we mean by this - unique faces as well as unique content made by the sim creator, see Kamikitten's Emily and Robert Hawkwood or Zombiejill's Jill.

This can be found in the link below also.

Here are the rules about unique sims:
http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=204980
Number 9


I also agree about the bodyshape, you should create the outfit that you pictured (from the comic) on some of the warlokk shapes.

I suggest the Enhanced 36D-28-34 as a size for her, its shapely yet her boobs aren't ridiculously over sized.

Which skin are you using?Can you post a link? Thanks.

[AnnitaSims]

Ah, ok, i can understand now why she got rejected!Because i dont do things others do!Ok, believe it or not my face(myself) is a maxis face!What does this mean?Because of this i cant belong nowhere?Even if her face is something usual it is a creative opinion of the creator that imagined her like this!But ok i will make it more sculptured..And dont ever thing that this is a difficult part, to make unique faces.I do it every day just for gaming sims!
As for the rules..i've tried to create my own content.My SimPE will never gather meshes parts,and i will never find a *** solution because no one helps me in the creator issues!
Despite of all these, i really want to hear your suggestions they're all appreciated. :)

[MistyBlue]

It doesn't mean you belong nowhere if you have a face that's like Maxis template...the issue is that anyone can take a maxis default face and put some CC on it. A sim for upload has to be different, in order to attract the downloader, it has to be something one cannot make himself that easy. I know you've imagined her this way, but you do need to edit her face to get her accepted. You don't have to make your own meshes, you can just make some make-up, recolor or something, nothing too complicated, just something that will make the sim a bit more of your own :)

[Jaylo]

You don't have to use sim PE at all. Just download a Warlokk mesh(or another mesh) of the shape you want, then add different textures to it using bodyshop and photoshop/gimp or whatever you use.

I'd make her eyes a bit more slanted with a slightly pointier chin. The things is though, I can't really see her face from your pics, and I'm really basing my critique off your avatar.

[BSGirl]

She's really cool!I think she's nearly perfect!

[AnnitaSims]

Oh, thank you all!!!Everyone's too helpfull..Ok then, i will change the skintone and make it more curvy, her face, her eyes and make up and i'm thinking of chainging her outfit too,make it more leafy..The problem is that her skintone is an unknown CC and i cant use it if i don't know to whom belongs...
I am posting the skin here as the Vampire of death asked it.

http://www.easy-share.com/1910828910/DivaFidelia_EveSkintone_GreenVines (AC).zip

[Vampire_of_Death]

Thanks, did you make it? I was just asking because I had never seen it before and I thought you made it. If you want to know who made it, post over at WCIF with pictures of your sim, they maybe able to you where you got the original.

[AnnitaSims]

Unfortunatelly,no i did not make it and i don't know where i got it too..But i love it so much that i want to make it mine!Tell me, if i make a recolor of this(and improve the leaf textures) can it be legally mine?
And are skins linked to meshes?It has been a long confuse in my head this..

[Vampire_of_Death]

Nope, the skins are separate than clothing meshes.

And no, the texture would still belong to the original creator, you would have to credit them for the base texture. But from what I see the leaf texture is on the outfit, not the skin. But I could be wrong.

Here is where the skin is from:
Without leaves:
http://www.insimenator.org/index.php/topic,56580.msg886979.html#msg886979

With leaves:
http://www.insimenator.org/index.php/topic,56107.msg880366.html#msg880366

Here is the member ID on MTS:
http://www.modthesims.info/member.php?u=449396

SO, you will have to pm them for permission or not edit the skin.

I think before you start creating things, you should take a look over here at some tutorials.
http://www.sims2wiki.info/wiki.php?title=Tutorials:Clothing_Tutorials

BUT before we start worrying about downloads and creating things for Poison Ivy, we need to work on the facial structure of your sim. Can you please post a picture of your Poison Ivy without anything that you have downloaded. We can then work on her shape.

Here is what I mean, the top two sims are with CC (custom content) while the bottom two aren't. This picture is kind of showing you how having a Maxis sim (sim 2 & 4) can be easily achieve but with a few facial tweaks and changes, your sim can look a million time better, more unique, and look realistic.

http://thumbs.modthesims2.com/getimage.php?file=412181

[AnnitaSims]

Oh, thank you but be sure that i didn't find the skin here in MTS2 i think that i found it in the exchange of The sims 2 community(should i give this link in the upload?).
Yes i've seen this Batman Arkham Asylum version Poison Ivy, but i have to say that i dont like this skin much, it's missing the light from the skin i have..The more the light and the shadows the more the curves of the body!(i think..)
Here are some "nude" face images from bodyshop:

http://i46.tinypic.com/10h98w6.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/2mw8p4z.jpg

And with make up:
http://i47.tinypic.com/2v94513.jpg

[Vampire_of_Death]

I actually found the skin myself, I just updated my post of you want to check it out.

Your first picture isn't working for me, so I don't know whats in it, but you need to post a picture of your sim facing forward with no makeup, no custom skin, so a just a normal colored skin that came with the game.So she looks like a sim that came with the game.

This is because some skin and some makeup can change the way a sim look and your biggest concern in the structure. Without that, no matter how much content you make or how amazing it is, the sim will still not be unique enough.

This is just for reference, then we can build on that. :)

[AnnitaSims]

Ah, no custom skin ok.Hope this helps:

http://i48.tinypic.com/t0kvtc.jpg

[Vampire_of_Death]

Alrighty, that is what we need, good job! So, do you have a certain picture of her that you want her to look like, if not, I have some suggestions.
http://www.alexross.com/CP1289-Pretty-Poison.jpg


I know you don't lie the Arkam Ivy, but how about herfacial structure?

http://z.about.com/d/compactiongames/1/0/R/g/1/poisonivy_ca.jpg

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Poison%20Ivy%20Rachel%20Nichols.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a149/Underwaterbliss/Xmen/Poison%20Ivy/378px-Poison_Ivy_023.jpg

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4800000/poison-Ivy-femme-fatales-4831837-1024-768.jpg


But if you don't like any of mine and can't find one yourself, pick a favorite celebrity that you think would make a good Ivy and we can use that structure.

[AnnitaSims]

So, it is required to have my PI or any other DC hero based to an image?Sounds too demanding but ok i will..
So i have to change:
1)the face
2)Skin
3)Make up
4)The outfit
ut i dont want to change the hair, i believe it's the ideal for her...anything else?

[Vampire_of_Death]

No, you don't HAVE to base it on a picture, it is just easier to use a picture of a person that looks simliar to what you want. So for example, If I was to make Harley, I would use a picture of a pretty woman that has a similar facial structure to what see in my head. Then, that way, if I think something looks off, or lost my place, I always have a source to work off of. I just wanted to make sure that before I give any advice for structure that you didn't have a specific look in mind already.

I see no reason why you have to change everything you listed, the skin is perfect in my opinion, just use the one you have. I linked to it above.

At the moment, lets forget any content. Just pretend that she is just a maxis sim and that is all the content you have available. You really need to focus on the face. Don't worry about anything else, we will get to that I promise. Just set it aside.

So, face. Do you have any ideas how you want her to look? If you don;t have a picture, just describe what you think, as a character, Poison Ivy would look like. Would her lips be turn up i a smile or in a frown, would her eyebrows be close and angry or soft and kind, etc.

[AnnitaSims]

Well, you're right i'll focus on her face.
Those pics i think are ideal for my preferences..:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/229/92799-25556-poison-ivy_super.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/1zd0uf5.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/ie0bid.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/291nj0z.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/1182kn8.jpg
They're all lovely.. :lovestruc

[Vampire_of_Death]

So one thing that is prominate in all of her pictures is her lips. With those, I would:
-make her lips a click or two shorter, length wise
-A more curved top lip, so it indents more by a click or two
-A click or two plumper

Jaw:
-Make it a bit more square, so its a bit longer back by the ears
-Make the chin a click higher towards the lips

Nose:
-Make nostrils a click wider
-Move the nose down two or three clicks

Eyes:
- make them a few clicks more squinty, more closed
-one click closer together
-move eyebrows down a click

-move entire face up a click or two.

So use these suggestion to help shape her face, use the pictures while you are doing it, fix it. I did it all by eye, so once you have an update, we will look at it again. Just remember to post pictures without any custom skin or makeup. :)

[AnnitaSims]

Ok she will be coming soon(gonna take much of my time so i leave it for the weekend) but don't her eyebrows need an update too?

[Vampire_of_Death]

I included my suggestions for the eyebrows under eyes.

Also, this will be the only time that I'll say this for a while, but you should find some eyebrows here on MTS, make sure they are the ones you want, and put those on Ivy. The reason you need these at the beginning is because certain eyebrows are higher than others, have different shapes, etc.

These are my favorites:
http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=279660

And, if you can't find the exact color, let me know, and I can help you recolor it to your hair color. But that's later, now, we just want a general shape.

[AnnitaSims]

Thank you, i've downloaded them!Unfortunatelly,she will take me some time...It's difficult to make her face without seeing her with her skintone, she is not giving me the sense of PI..

[Jaylo]

you can use her skintone to sculpt, and then take one pic with CC and one without

[AnnitaSims]

That exactly i'm going to do, thanks.

[AnnitaSims]

Well, Ivy's in her way!!!I finally made her face and going to share it with you, just letting you know that i'm not sure if this face reminds to others the Poison Ivy, so pliz tell me your thoughts because my eyes are tired and can't see any details at all.. :rofl:

Here's Ivy with her real skintone with and not make up:

http://i47.tinypic.com/1ioig1.jpg

Here is (the monster :help: )Ivy With in-game skintones(they are different because the white is a default replacement which i want to get rid off it.. :( )
Take a deep breath:

http://i45.tinypic.com/o5apeu.jpg

Pliz tell me if this new face is an Ivy face for you or needs improvement and if yes, in which places!!!
Thank u!

[Jaylo]

I like her! good work!
do you have self-made cc?

[Vampire_of_Death]

She looks amazing! I really love what you have done and she is very unique.

I have some tiny suggestions that you can completely ignore if it doesn't look right, or how you want it.

I would make her eyes a click more squinted, and her lips a click thinner, other than that, she looks great.

So, have you decided which custom content that you would like to make for her?

[AnnitaSims]

Thank you , i dont have made any make up cc ever but if it is necessary to have her accepted i will see the turtorials and try to..(hope they're easy)Should i make them one click more squinted?Like the eyebrows are?

[Vampire_of_Death]

The the eyes, yea, I would try narrowing them by a click. Not a huge thing, but it will add to the realism of her.

[AnnitaSims]

i will..Is it nessecary to make make up and eye color for her?What about her outfit?It's not mine and i dont know who made it..

[Vampire_of_Death]

You have to make some kind of CC, it does not matter which. I would start with something simple. You must read the tutorials and make a goos quality content. I linked you to the tutorials before, but here you go again. Just start with the basics, even if you know them, refresh yourself and

http://www.modthesims.info/wiki.php?title=Tutorials:Body_Shop_Recolouring_Tutorials

I suggest making make-up, it seems it would be the easiest for a beginner. Also, if you plan on using any part of anyones texture other than maxis, then you must credit them. Otherwise, it is considered stealing and it could get you banned from MTS.

Here is the clothes:

http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=251341

[AnnitaSims]

You are telling me that if i want to make my own make up and use an others make up to make mine on his i have to give credit?but this is disturbing as the final make up will be my effort (it wont be just a recolor of course!)Ok..
I can make her eyes too, i know ''photoeyeing'' :) .
I gonna make rouz,lipstick,eyeshadow and eyeliner and her eyes.
How can i add more vines on her body or face?

[MistyBlue]

I don't see anything disturbing in giving credit if you use other creator's work to build upon :) After all, the original creator also invested their time and effort, just like you will, so sharing credit is the right thing to do. You also need to check their policy, to see if they allow modifying and posting their creations.

Your PI looks really good now, very much improved, good work :bunny: You can add more vines by modifying her skintone (first check original creator's policy), or, if you just wanna add some to her face, make a facemask. If you know basics I think it shouldn't be difficult to do. Just make sure to find some good images to work with (or you can draw your own).

[AnnitaSims]

Thanks i will do all these..But do i have to make an image with the real PI and my sim PI?because my PI is a combination of many images..I'm really afraid if she gets rejected again for not being unique and the same with the real PI..

[MistyBlue]

I think, for a comparison picture in your upload, you could just make collage of several different images you've used as a reference, it should be enough. I don't think she'll be rejected again, I hope not, but don't give up even if she does. I had my Cuddy sim rejected twice, and it turned out well in the end ;)

[AnnitaSims]

Oh,enough encouraging for me..I'll give it a try and i hope to see her again in the threads and not here! ;)

[AnnitaSims]

I've uploaded my PI!!!!!!I wish it gets accepted aaaaah!!!

[Vampire_of_Death]

Just curious, what content did you settle on making for her?

[AnnitaSims]

I'll tell you.I've made for her many things yesterday, you can not imagine how many hours i've been looking the turtorials around the google because MTS2 has not left me satisfied..
Well.I've made her some ''sparkling eyes'',geen cyrcles under her eyes(not too tense), better lip corners,eyelush,blush, white teeth, eyeliner&shadow,a lipstick lighter,nose nares made better and a leafy mask.
Here's the result...tadah!

http://i48.tinypic.com/fenukj.jpg
I've made everything perfect.If she gets rejected...i'll suicide. :|

[Vampire_of_Death]

She does look lovely, and the only reason she may be rejected is technical issues such as you forgot to include a certian screenshot or something silly or easily fixed. Good Luck.

[AnnitaSims]

Oooh thank u very much for all this help, it is precious for me!!!

[AnnitaSims]

I've been waiting for three days and today is the fourth but no answer for rejection or approval!I will faint.

[Vampire_of_Death]

It takes a few days, my last one took about a week. No worries.

[AnnitaSims]

Why this?My first PI post lasted 2-3 days..Does this mean that she will get approved?

[MistyBlue]

It all depends on how much uploads do moderators need to go through, or how many of them are currently "on the case" ;) That's what I think, at least. There's a lot of uploaded stuff in the last couple of days, so I'm guessing they just didn't get around to your sim. Unfortunately, time spent in the moderation queue usually isn't any indication of approval/rejection. I've had my sim uploaded a week ago, still nothing, I do hate the suspense but what can ya do ;)

[AnnitaSims]

Oh yes...that suspense kills me..Till then gonna create others sims!

[AnnitaSims]

Who is the most unlucky person?(begins with A and finishes with S)
My PI got rejected but i do accept the reasons.Indeed my graphics settings were to minimum and i did not put them to the maximum(game goes like a snail) so her outfit looked blurry..My screenshots were dark(darn that night!) and my comparison pic was an white-black cartoon..But why does her face need more sculpt?That's the strange of the letter...I thought she was unique!
Not sure if i should keep working on her,but i'll give a last try...

[BSGirl]

I believe you should give it another try!I think she's really great!BTW I'm Greek too!

[BSGirl]

I believe you should give it another try!I think she's really great!By the way I'm Greek too!

[AnnitaSims]

Really?Απο που είσαι?Ναι 8α προσπαθησω τι να πω...

trans:Really?Where are u from?Ok i'll work more on her finally..

[MistyBlue]

I hope you won't quit! I think you were on the right track, just work on her for a bit longer :)

[Vampire_of_Death]

Might I suggest that you work on one project at a time? I noticed that you have numerous threads going at once and focusing on one project at a time may help. ts about quality not quantity.

[fthomas]

^ I totally agree.
I would concentrate on Poison Ivy first, as you have progressed the most with her, then upload her, and if you succeed - start on one of your other projects.

[AnnitaSims]

You are totally right guys!I was thinking of this that indeed i'm starting up many projects while i should focus on one...I will focus on her but now that summer school has started i wont have enough time...Never mind, i won't give up, thank you everyone!!!<3

[BSGirl]

Είμαι από Αθήνα!Εσύ?
Translation:I'm from Athens!What about you?

[AnnitaSims]

Απο τον Πειραια!!!Χαιρομαι που σαρεσει η ΠΙ μου!!!
trans:I am from Piraeus, i'm really glad that you like my PI!!!

[fthomas]

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the rules state that if speaking in another language you must provide an English translation below.

For example:
J'adore la mode!
Translation: I love fashion.

Anyways..any progress on Poison Ivy? :]

[Vampire_of_Death]

Yep, you can get in trouble. :D

[AnnitaSims]

Thank you,that thought was bothering ok i will.Unfortunatelly no progress in Ivy, my scedule is too busy(Summer school!)but now i'm making a detailed shedule of my summer time and i'm going to set some hours for working despite the fact that a good ''Simish'' work requires days not hours...:-(
I'll do my best the prob is that the photo i've based my PI is the black-white one in the first page and i have to choose a colored in as the letter says.That is blocking my progress anyway..I will resculpt her face(Maybe tommorow?) but i can see that not anyone can be...a creator :-(

[Vampire_of_Death]

Which photo did you chose? I'll look for a similar one in my millions of Ivy pictures.

You can also include a collage of colored and non pictures in a collage with your main one in the center.

[AnnitaSims]

Yes but my PI is based only in this image...the image is the no4 in my post (1st page) of my favourite PI images, thanks.

[Vampire_of_Death]

I know, but they are no goin to just accept that picture. Put that picture huge in the center and put smaller, colored pictures around it. Just like here:
http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=366915
or here:
http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=256239

But if you got rejected for facial, then collages are the least of your worries. Can you post the *exact* rejection message?

[fthomas]

I agree with Vampire, if you post the exact rejection message, we can help you more with the facial structure of Poison Ivy.

[AnnitaSims]

Is this allowed?Well...um...sounds ridiculus anyone can see this..
Oh, ok i will!!!

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Sims 2 specific: For clothing, make sure you have read Faylen's clothing tutorials, and check to make sure Body Shop is not resizing/pixellating your graphics.

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•Other reasons (these may be clarifications of above points, or additional reasons)
The face sculpt does need more work. I suggest that you look at a screenshot of your sim with no CC next to a screenshot of the default face base you used to work from. You have included a black and white line drawing as your preview pic. I recommend that you google for other images in colour and provide those as the comparison picture.
The leaf texture you have made for the face looks very blurred in your pictures. Looking at the pictures I think that the extreme blurriness of the screenshots may be a graphics card issue. The best way for us to evaluate the impact of your graphics card is to include maxis/EA items in the screenshots - perhaps a wall or a tree. Of course, we still cannot accept blurred screenshots as downloaders need to see what they are getting.
Here are some tips to get the most out of your graphics card. For taking screenshots, turn up the graphics for sims and object detail while turning everything else to its lowest setting. Put the sim on a small lot with minimal content to take your pictures. Set your game to run in a small window. This will put less strain on your graphics card. Do ensure you have sufficient lighting on the lot.

:cry: :rolleyes:

[MistyBlue]

I think all those things are easily fixed, especially with all the instructions and help the moderator gave you.

Biggest problem seems to be the face. Your sim *might* be a tad too perfect, in a sense that she doesn't have enough of unique features that would make her stand out. I'm not sure am I explaining this well, so for example, take Uma Thurman who played PI: she's gorgeous, but her face has a few twist and turns that make her unique. In my opinion, little imperfections are things that make someone beautiful. I'd try playing with the sliders more, I don't know what else to suggest, because that will depend on your personal taste, but I'd edit her lips, make her eyes more squint, things like that...

Simming is not always easy, but don't give up, practice makes perfect ;)

[Vampire_of_Death]

I agree, most of the problems are easily fixed, but we need to start with her face. Without you making facial changes, this thread can't go anywhere.

[AnnitaSims]

I tried yesterdey to sculpt her face..the result was something worse than the first.I simply can't edit her more it's not i am not willing(cause i am)but i've made her with a way that now a little change requires many other bigger changes and the overall look will be quite different from the first..Then it's too difficult for me to see little details..I can't do anything more if the moderator doesn't consider her face unique, i've did my best and despite that think of the fact that PI is a DC hero that her look differs from image to image!Everyone makes her the way he wants and DC it's own has changed her many times in games and comics...Now if the moderator thinks she is not unique he had better take a look around the google and see that my PI is a sim that everyone that sees it says ''Oh, Poison Ivy''!(My friends did.)


I'll try to edit her again but if i fail i gonna abandon this project.

[MistyBlue]

You seem to be stuck in a thought that if you make her any different she won't be PI anymore. Now, I understand you have your own image of her in your mind, but you have to adapt that image to the requirements this site has set. The problem isn't that the real thing looks different from picture to picture, the problem is that the sim itself simply doesn't stand out as much as it should. I don't mean to sound harsh, I really want to help you to get her accepted. I think you will have to make a compromise :)

If you don't know how to make her more unique, I suggest selecting a real person picture to work off. Just pick a few photos of women you think are pretty and unique. Pick a part of their face you think would fit PI and then try to transfer the feature to your sim. It might work.

[AnnitaSims]

But that women won't be PI and it is required to include a real character image..Sometimes we must hear our heart and not the rules..My aim was not to get her accepted as a sim that i don't like it and was not going to have him as result but as a creation that is made with all of my love.If the only solution to get her accepted is to change her face completely and make her with strainger, that for me is fail and not success..

[MistyBlue]

I'm sorry, if your sim is not getting accepted and making her look any different is not an option, then I am afraid that I have nothing to suggest (except that you try to tweak her without doing any major changes).

[harryishere]

I can feel your stress because I know how much you love your creation, however I have to agree mistyblue, she does look rather plain and doesn't stand out a huge amount.

No one is forcing you to make changes but if you do want her to be accepted then you will have to make those changes. I know at the moment you think you don't want to, but once you have edited it and is good enough to pass through MTS very high standards you will feel very proud of your creation. We are here for suggestions not to tell you how to exactly change something so the creation will be pretty much be completely yours.

Anyway whatever you decide to do good luck on this creation or any other ones you do :)

[AnnitaSims]

What do u mean''she looks rather plain"???Before uploading her no one said me such thing, everyone was telling me that she is lovely,perfect and i decided to upload her!And now she looks plain?What more does she need? Plain i can call a white A4 paper but not a sim whatever it is..

[fthomas]

Could you post a picture of her with no cc at all?
Its easier to see her facial structure then :]

[Gorey]

The last picture you showed without custom content on the face didnt look much different to a standard maxis face. The advice the mod gave you to look at the base sim face you made her from is very helpful, because a big part of getting your sim uploaded is it not being something someone else could make (somewhat easily).

I didn't look at your thread until now so im just offering general advice from what i can see, take off ALL custom content and work on the facial sculpt and refer back to the base sim you started with. You should be able to see big differences yourself and if you cant you need to play around with it more. When you get something your happy with put the skintone back on and see how it looks and tweak and post pictures for some advice. The face sculpt is the most important thing, it seems like the custom content was being relied on a bit too much to make her 'unique'.

[AnnitaSims]

I know what you do suggest but the strange thing (as you've read all the thread) is that wjen i made her like the second form everyone was telling me she was quite unique..well ok there is one way for this..I will go through but i'm not sure why she looks ''plain'' only for cause of her face..

[MistyBlue]

Before you've uploaded her, yes, i thought she might be good enough to go trough, but obviously moderators did not think so. Please do not be discouraged, we are all here to help you. I think making a unique sim isn't a problem for you, right? The problem here is you want you PI to look just the way she looks now. So that's the issue. If you decide to step away from your image of her for a bit, you might make her into a really beautiful unique sim.

You said you've made some changes, you should post them here :)

[AnnitaSims]

The problem is that i can't get into the moderator's head and see what he/she did not like..!I though that the important is the member's opinion and all you had possitive opinions..!The moderator is only one person and he might be wrong (but that's not solvable so let it go).The real difficult for me that i cannot continue is that my image is white-black but this image is the only one that PI is the way i like her..Yes i can make unique sims that are born in my head but that is a character sim and must be similar to an image i pick up..
Something other.I think that small changes will not make any difference so the moderator wants me to completely change her face.I tried to make small changes but she got distorted, some sliders are on their maximum..

[leesester]

Hi AnnitaSims, I have been watching this thread and so far you have received some great tips and advice from the posters in this thread.

The main issue that most creators are trying to tell you is that the sim is possibly NOT unique. By unique we/they mean the face sculpt - any extra cc you may have made is a nice to have, but a unique face sculpt is the base when uploading sims. Post a picture of your sim with no cc next to the maxis number one face (as suggested in the sims guidelines). Then we can advise on the sculpt.

It could be that you just love that sim the way it is - I have a few like that myself. However, I also know that they are not particularly unique, so I don't post them on MTS.

[AnnitaSims]

Have you seen the image that my sim is based on?If you do you will see that they are similar to each other and that is the right.It's not my fault that PI has a face that seems not unique(at least for you).I have understood all the suggestions given to me, but if for u unique is a sim that i will make his nose far too big so as he is not a usual maxis face, that for me is not a Poison Ivy.

Here:

http://i46.tinypic.com/n5iyqg.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2ursfnl.jpg

................

[leesester]

Hi AnittaSims, yes I have seen the picture your sim is based on. I also saw the post from the moderator suggesting a different comparison picture. I have to be honest and say that your sim does not look like the comparison picture in my opinion. The eyebrow shape is different, the mouth shape is different, the height of the forehead and the length of the chin - all different. Sorry. Also, any chance of that no CC version next to a maxis number one default face?

[MistyBlue]

I think that, when a moderator is evaluating your upload, he tries to decide if the sim is unique enough to attract the downloader. In order to do that, it has to be something one cannot make himself by just tweaking one of Maxis default faces a little. (I'm not saying that's what you did, just trying to make a point).

I think moderators know how Poison Ivy is supposed to look like, so the image you post with your upload is more of a formality. Vamp had a good suggestion, put that b/w image in the middle of a collage, and surround it with different color pictures of PI. I think that would be enough.

If your sim gets distorted, which sometimes happen when it gets over-tweaked, I find that it is best to blend it a little with template 1 until it gets smoother and then work on it further.

I completely understand that this is how you like your PI, so if changing her to make her fit for MTS2 will make you feel bad, don't do it. Keep the sim for yourself (or share it on some other site) and work on something else :)

[AnnitaSims]

Can you explain me with more simple your last phrase?what do u mean?English is not my mother language.Thanks.

misty, i'm not sure why downloaders wouldn't like her..Because i think they'd do.Yes i liked VoD's suggestion but if i would put many different PI images in a collage the sim cpuld not be similar to all of these PI's!!!Only one Pi must be my base.''What is the blending with template 1''?Finally i'm very glad that at least one person has understood how i feel..thanks.

[MistyBlue]

I'm not saying downloaders wouldn't like her, some would, some wouldn't, just like with any other thing in life :) Moderator's job is to decide would the *majority* of downloaders want her, and apparently, the decision was "no". I still think she has a lot of potential, you've made some nice cc for her, and photos are nice, albeit a little dark. As Leesester said, there would probably be no problem with comparison picture if your sim would look enough like it.

"Blending with a template" - when in BS, choose an option with Maxis default faces, and then pick one (or some other that you like better) and pull a slider until you smooth your sim's face. Mind you, if you have to pull it too far so that it stops looking like your sim at all, just start over (that's what I do).

I understand how you feel from the beginning, but there's not much I can do to help you it seems.

[AnnitaSims]

Are you sure that there would probably be no problem with comparison picture if PI would look enough like it? I did not understand such thing..but if that is truth then there's no prob i will edit her more!

[MistyBlue]

No, I'm not sure, but from what Leesester wrote, I came to the conclusion that one of the reasons they've rejected her is that she doesn't look enough like that picture. I could be wrong, of course, but I think if you work on your PI to make her look like the illustration, she might end up looking unique enough.

So, assuming you'll be doing that, here's what I'd change:

- Use different eyebrows, cleaner ones, not that bushy. One that have a little pointy arch to them.
- Eyes more squint
- Upper lip thinner, more pinched. Maybe a different lipstick.
- Forehead shorter
- Chin longer or move her lips up a click

If you want to try this, please post some pictures, to see if there is any progress :)

[AnnitaSims]

Ok, thank you misty i will!!!I'll be posting updates soon!

[Vampire_of_Death]

Alright, remember when you first posted here, you didn't want to change her because it would make her a stranger, but now, you love the changes and don't want to make anymore. Imagine how much you'll love her this time.

When you are posting pictures without CC, you MUST REMOVE EVERYTHING. Hair, makeup, etc. EVERYTHING. Trust me we can put it back on later. Face sculpt is important, content is not.

Now, what misty suggested, was that you get some pictures of people. The shouldn't have anything to do with Ivy, at all. Just so you find them pretty and most of all, unique. Now, pick some of the features, like eyes and change the shape of Ivy's to match. This is not to make her less like Ivy, but more so the mods like her. Unique does NOT mean ugly. Take a look at my Sim, Zsasz, he is not ugly, but he doesn't look like any other Sim in game, it looks like I make major tweaks to his face. Take a look at Taure's Ivy, she is not ugly, but you can tell that she put some time into her.

With that said, I would change the eye brows you are using. This should be the only content that you should have on your sim right now. NO MAKEUP. I suggest a set from here:
http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=283968 Obviously the femme version.
The ones you are using are too bushy and unkempt for Ivy. In all her pictures, her brows are sleek.

So, I have a to do list for you
-Pick a set of eyebrows
-Make edits and take new pictures, with no cc.
-Post a picture here of your sim with NO CC except the eyebrows, that is it.
-Post the source picture you are using in the same post for easier reference.
- Post any other pictures of REAL PEOPLE that you may want to base Ivy off of
-Wait for our critique.
And somewhere far down the line, we will look at the individual content that you have made for her to make sure it's up to snuff.
Also, when you upload, make sure to place Ivy in the Comic/Gaming category as it may be slightly less strict.

:)

[AnnitaSims]

Huh pick real people's photo?And what about the comparison pictures?Will i post that people image in the post too?Then mods will erupt!If i like a model and take her face she will have to do nothing with the Dc hero PI!I know that comic figures are difficult and cause of this i'll have to pick a human image but sounds weird..I will but tha means delete the previous face and make a new one.

[MistyBlue]

I don't think Vamp meant that you absolutely HAVE to do what I suggested, if you mange to make her look more unique by making her look more like your reference picture, there will be no need to base her off of real people. However, if it doesn't help, you may want to try that solution.

Posting your sim with no CC (means no defaults either) could be helpful. That way we can see how much does your sim differ from base template.

[Vampire_of_Death]

No, Misty is right, sorry for the confusion. I meant that you can base it on a real person if you are having trouble or if, for example, you can't get the eyes quite right, you can pick a picture of a real person to help you out and if you are using that picture, to post it here so that we can help you too. If you do base it off of a picture, you won;t have to include it in the upload.
But everything I say is a suggestion, you are in no way obligated to do any of them. :)

[AnnitaSims]

Oh thank you very much, i prefer trying to make her based on the comics picture.

Here is our ''nudy'' girl...!:-P

http://i49.tinypic.com/6ns5ds.jpg

[AnnitaSims]

***Update***!!!

Don't know if i came closer o further but that's what i've made:

http://i48.tinypic.com/2u3uo8n.jpg

[Vampire_of_Death]

Alright, I would:

-Turn/rotate her eyes down a click to two
-nostrils two clicks thicker
-mouth a click longer, width wise
-Mouth a click high on the face
-chin a click or two longer

Could you also post a picture of her from the side?

[harryishere]

Can I give a suggestion about the makeup. I think she looks very beautiful with less makeup, and also it suits PI more because she is a very natural person.

She looks better already! :)

[MistyBlue]

Wonderful, she's getting better!!

Besides Vamp's suggestions, I'd try making her cheekbones bigger. And I agree with Harry too, less make-up could look better. Or, use make-up, but make it so it is more subtle and natural. It might work well for her.

[AnnitaSims]

So, you like her?!?Wow that took me only 5 minutes!Well i'll make her even better!Yes you're right Pepermint i guess you've been comparing her with the previous version, right?I'vve seen this too...But if i leave her without liptick or eyeliner..it wont be like the photo.So, no tense make up.I will apply your suggestions too VoD and misty.Updates soon!

[AnnitaSims]

Can anyone mesh her outfit?I've tried but...heh...II think her breasts need to be bigger *giggle*

[MistyBlue]

I like her, I think those little changes really made a difference. Keep working on her (changes VoD suggested), she'll look even lovelier I'm sure :)

Don't leave her completely without make-up, just make things like blush or lipstick more natural.

As for the outfit, you could use the mesh we suggested a while ago (on of Warlokk's bodyshapes (http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=90605) ) then simply recolor it. Her outfit consists of leaves anyway, no need for a new mesh :)

[AnnitaSims]

Super news!!!I've found my PI image in colored versions!her face differs though..and their skins too..but dunno tell me what u think...:

http://i48.tinypic.com/2yos9zm.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/npnmzo.jpg

[harryishere]

If your making poison Ivy you don't have to get it exactly the same as the picture. Just make her how you imagine her to be, but keep her original

[AnnitaSims]

Are you sure?Cause if you've read my letter(Posted in the previous page) it says to be identical to the image otherwise it wouldn't be too difficult for me..

---------> i have warlock's bodyshapes but recoloring skins is not my pie.Then this makes her face perfect i love it.

[AnnitaSims]

Well #update#!!!
I applied your suggestions and here's the result.I cant see important changes but i guess you know better.
(*new eyebrows)

http://i45.tinypic.com/wjv0g2.jpg

:llama: :llama: :llama:

[BSGirl]

She's really good!You'll use blue or green eyes?

[AnnitaSims]

Ehm, they are not blue..!They are green but i guess bodyshop's ''good'' lighting makes them like that..
I'm thinking of uploading the eyes..

[Vampire_of_Death]

More pinch on the top lip, 2 click
1 click more pinch on bottom lip
eyes a click or two more squinted.
The entire face 2-3 clicks higher
Chin 2 clicks pointier
nose and mouth 2 clicks higher.
Her cheeks sucked in a clcik or two.

Not sure about this, but something about the mose I son't like, so the below suggestions may not work, so do them separatly.
Make her nose a click larger.

[AnnitaSims]

Yes, the nose is now too thin because of the skins lighting(just like my avatar).Ok gonna apply them!

[harryishere]

Are you sure?Cause if you've read my letter(Posted in the previous page) it says to be identical to the image otherwise it wouldn't be too difficult for me..

---------> i have warlock's bodyshapes but recoloring skins is not my pie.Then this makes her face perfect i love it.

Well because there are so many ideas on what Poison Ivy looks like you can do what you want with her. This means you can use a collage of reference pictures without her having to look like all of them.

Anyway to make this sim really stand out you might want to create your own cc for it because that shows how much effort you have put into it, and it also makes it more interesting.

My example is this
http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=385300

This sim would be alright on its own, but because so much effort has been put into the cc for it I think it makes this sim fantastic

[AnnitaSims]

Yes i've seen this sim but it is not a celebrity, it's open fantasy.I've posted my R letter and as you can see it says her face needs more sculpting.Without the original image my PI seems to be the PI in everyone's eyes but when someones sees her by the image can see many differences.So if i'd put a collage of many images (and leave her like she is?) the difference will be even bigger!I'm sure mods will not like that either.

[Vampire_of_Death]

While your sim needs to look like your pictures, it doesn't have to be exact. Just make sure you put somewhere in your post that you are doing a Ivy, not a specific one. They didn;t deny your upload because she didn;t look like her picture, they denied her because she looks too Maxis-y.

[AnnitaSims]

Well now i begin to understand...(thank you).Ok then(i disagree she doesnt) if i make her face beautyful and unique at once without basing her in ant image and put many images too, will she get accepted?I'm starting!

[harryishere]

Anyway going back to my last post are you considering making a skin for your sim?

[AnnitaSims]

Of course not!If there's something that will remain unchanged that is the skin!
Something other,sounds weird but whatever changes i do to her face she still looks like a maxis default face..i cant understand..

[hatthecat123]

for eyeliner i would use a very natural lashes like anva's http://linna.modthesims.info/download.php?t=276658 you'll probably need to shorten them since otherwise they might become distorted or though check this out first, my avatar is wearing them. also her bottom lip should be wider and a bit less er tall best of luck!

[AnnitaSims]

thank you hatthecat i will test them!

[AnnitaSims]

Well, i'm back to solve that-ridiculus already- problem with Ivy's face!I looked all over the MTS2 and a found sims made very real and sims that are not so far from a maxis default template.I compared my Ivy(and Dulcina) and i have to say that..i feel somehow.I made an image showing that Ivy's face is unique, and i'm going to erupt like Filand's volcano in any opposite opinion!!!(In fact no, tell enything you believe.:-)

http://i32.tinypic.com/35mh0qu.jpg

I know what you are going to tell!''Ah, you've just made her face 3 click higher,ah you made only some little ajustments..''
but i think that whatever i did the results shows two differenr sims.
Or i must be crazy. :blink:

[MistyBlue]

Okay, right...you're not gonna like this, but, yeah, still not looking unique enough. The general shape of her face is the same as the Maxis one, her nose and lips look very similar as well. To be honest (and I have to, because I wanna help you), all I can see different is that her eyes are wider, her brows more down turned and her face is higher, and you messed around with her chin a little.

I trust you when you say you worked hard on this, but you really mustn't be afraid to experiment. To make a unique sim you have to play with sliders, see what looks good, what doesn't, pick a feature that you want to be most prominent and then work on it. I know this is getting frustrating for you, but you seem to think that she will be ugly if you try making her more unique. It doesn't have to be so, a sim can really only get ugly if you overdo it, and get it to the point where it looks all distorted and lumpy. Unique sims are much prettier that just pretty sims, IMO.

[AnnitaSims]

Well...What you said is REALLY helpful..Cause you told me exactly what seems different and what not, so i know what i have to improve... :) Ok i will try again and again and again till she gets accepted!It is not good to let all this hard work hidden in my own folders.. ;) I will improve her right now.

[HystericalParoxysm]

I know one thing that's helped a lot in creating unique TS3 sims for me is to go through and either max or min out all the sliders - either go all max, or all min, or a mix of them. Then adjust back -just- until the sim stops looking freakish. Then give yourself one more pass over them to tweak to make 'em prettier. You might end up with a result that you totally didn't expect - but it's almost always interesting and unique. I'll bet the same works really well with TS2 sims. :)

[MistyBlue]

That's the spirit! I'm sure when you get this one right, it will be easier for you in the future to make a unique sim.

[harryishere]

Okay I'm gonna have to agree with mistyblue so I'm not gonna repeat what she said

Anyway what I will say is that I think with the makeup you really need to tone it down, especially the eyeliner. To me it looks a little too much for someone as natural as Poison Ivy

Good luck with this sim! I really hope you do get her uploaded sometime soon! :)

[AnnitaSims]

Hah, i've never though of trying such thing..XD.It must be really funny but helpful only when creating fantastic sims and not celebrities..
Thank you misty, i'm sure that if i manage it then things will be more simple..
Harry, you're right she is a natural person but you know, PI is a sexy woman too, so i have to decide between an natural Ivy with an angry face or an sexy ivy with make up..

[MistyBlue]

Well, you don't have to wear lots of make-up to look sexy :) Especially when you're such a natural beauty like PI. I agree with Harry, lighter make-up would look better. But let's think about that later, her face sculpt is the most important thing right now :)

[AnnitaSims]

Ok.I focused on the things you told me.Lips,chin,face shape and nose.The nose i difficult cause this skin adds lighting in the nose and all the noses look the same :-S

http://i25.tinypic.com/xok5cg.jpg

[Wicked_poppies]

I may have missed this if you already said this, but are you going for realistic? Like, obviously you cant make her entierly realistic, but are you trying to use realistic proportions with the face? Nothing is too unrealistic at the momment, but the eyes are a little streched height wise.... Maybe if you made them more squinty? Squinty-ish eyes can be super sexy. I dont mean overly sguinty, but something like this:
http://i22.tinypic.com/sosjh5.jpg

Lips and eyes dont have to be huge to make somone attractive and stand out. I know Amanda Seyfried eyes and Angelina Jolie lips are "hot" right now, but beauty comes in all shapes, sizes, and colors.

I think she looks too maxis like still. If you wanted, you're welcome to use any of the sims I've ever made as a base. Just pic one you dont hate, download, and then strip it of CC, and sculpt from there. Just a idea. Or instead of trying to sculpt a sim from your mind, try and find a celeb or a model that you like and try to copy that the best you can.

[AnnitaSims]

Well um...I surely want to make her realistic but i don't know if i am able to this..Indeed her eyes are squinted( i don't know how to make them like rihana's)but you see i try to make her like the white black image..Something's missing:-S

[MistyBlue]

Her jaw is really narrow at the moment, and in-game it will look even more so. I would make her upper lip more prominent, and would use different lipstick to add to the effect. Those eyebrows on Rhianna sim, or similar ones would probably look good on PI. Lower her cheekbones perhaps? And make her cheeks more plump.

Try it and see how it looks like :)

[AnnitaSims]

Ok i will!Do i have to correct the jaw too?

[MistyBlue]

Yea, maybe you could make the lower part of her face wider, it seems to me that it would look extremely narrow in-game as it is.

[AnnitaSims]

Hm.....this...?


http://i32.tinypic.com/svjl7p.jpg

a tiny problem is that with the previous lipstick the lips looked huge but with all the other lipsticks no..

[harryishere]

Sexy doesn't mean covered in makeup. All I'm saying is just tone it down a bit because it looks like she has a lot of make up on at the moment.

Anyway its your creation so you can do what you like with her, I'm just suggesting it :)

[AnnitaSims]

Ok i think that i reduced it enough..see the image?Of course the lipstick will not remain but that's her natural face

[harryishere]

Sorry yeah didn't see the latest image, looks better! :)

Though I'm not sure about pink blush on green skin.

[AnnitaSims]

Of course not, haha!I think that i have to make a green ''plantish'' lipstick with a bit of poison, it will fit her perfectly.

[Wicked_poppies]

She kinda looks like a green christina aguilera. I still think her eyes are too exgagerated.

[AnnitaSims]

Huh, i'm afraid she does..Exgagerated??i dont know what you do mean,the dictionary has no such word...:-P

[harryishere]

its spelt exaggerated

[AnnitaSims]

Hmm,well they aren't..The pic shows them like this.

[MistyBlue]

I don't think they're really exaggerated, but it might look better if you would make them just a click squinter. On your source picture, she does have big eyes, but they're wider in length than in height. I'm still not quite happy with her face shape, still think her jaw needs widening.

[Wicked_poppies]

its spelt exaggerated

Yes, yes, I know I cant spell to save my life. Blah.

They are too streched height wise, because the pupil looks oval rather than circle. Look at the pic I've uploaded. On the left is your sim, and on the right is a pic of your sim I've edited in PS. All I did was bring the eyes down about 2-3 clicks, made the eyes more squinty about 2-3 clicks, and brought the chin up about 4 clicks. I also reduced the size of her bottom lip a tad. I think the pic I edited in PS looks a lot less maxis like, and it wouldent take much time in BS to get your sim to look like that or similar. Also, her profile needs a dramatic makeover. I would bring her bottom jaw forward a click or two, and her nose needs to be a bit longer, amoungst other things. Her nose is too maxis and too perfect. However, I think your problem is just as much the skin you're using as it is the sculpt when it comes to your sim's nose. The only thing you can do to fix this if you dont want to use a diffrent skintone it to find some nose-masks that the creators alow to be recolored, and change the color to match the skin.

[Gena1985]

to me the corners of her eyes needs to come down a click or two they are much to high for and looks like her hair has being tied back REAL tight same with the brows bring them back down a click or 2... if your going to make a blush make it only 2-3 shades darker then her skintone and the lips I think should be a red rose colour (sorry can't tell if they are at the moment because I'm on my chunk old computer that has crap graphics)
Can I suggest to widen the nose bridge towards the nostril alittle because that look reminds me of someone who has had a to much surgery..... But these are only my suggestions and you don't have to do them but you could always try and see how they workout for you...

[Vampire_of_Death]

See what wicked did? That sim looks a lot more unique, if you were able to go there, make a few more changes, she might be ready to go!

In addition to what wicked did, I would thin out the lips a tad, take in the nostrils a click and widen the bridge a click. The profile needs loads of work. And take the makeup off, it really doesn't do anything for your sim. You actually should be using pictures with NO CC at all until the structure is fixed.

[Wicked_poppies]

Yeah, we need her with no CC so we can see what is the face sculpt better. I mean maxis skin, maxis eyes, and also no make-up.

[heaven]

The edit Wicked did looks great. I think the eyes and the reduction of the lower lip add SO much to her face and make her more realistic. I also agree with the eyebrows comment from mistyblue. Something that is more arched, not just curved. I LOVE Bruno's lip glosses. They add a hint of color, lotsa gloss but don't usually look TOO made up. Here is a link to my where I got mine: http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=327829. My two favorite are Doll Face and Kiss Gloss but he has a lot to choose from.

[AnnitaSims]

Gosh, i don't know what i should do first of all these you suggest!
Misty says i should make her jaw wider, wicked says i should make it short..
Wicked the pic you've made is unique but it does not resemble the source pic..If i do her like your pic she will be enough more unique but i'm not sure if it's good..But i will try.Indeed i have to correct her skintone in the nose spot cause that lighting makes all the noses look the same.But the skin is not mine it's Diva Fidelia's and she hasn't logged here for a long period...
VoD what do u mean the profile needs too much work?I will remove the cc ok..
Heaven thanks.

[AnnitaSims]

Ok..i did it.I can't say i'm satisfied.:

http://i28.tinypic.com/2ezsp47.jpg

[BSGirl]

Me neither!The one without the changes was better!

[AnnitaSims]

Hmm...I need a coffee too, ahaha!Well that is what makes me thoughtful,that i have all the time sculpt my sims just to make them far from the maxis face while i'm sure that downloaders would prefer the first face wheither or not it is lake maxis..

[Wicked_poppies]

Those where just sugestions. If you dont like them, dont use them. However, with your sim the way she was she is not unique enough. Actualy, looking at the most recent pic, she dosent look like the pic I posted. I can see you made some changes, but her nose bridge is bumpy at the top, her chin is still too long, and I still think her bottom jaw needs to come forward some.

It's not my intention to try and dictate to you what to do with your sim and how to make her look. However, her face and her profile are both still too maxis like. If you want to upload her you need to change the sculpt a lot. If you're happy with her, that's great, and dont let anyone drag you down, but dont expect for her to be accepted if you try to upload her like she was.

Also, people download sims that are unique, because we all have the same maxis faces in our games. Why download a sim that looks a lot like a maxis sim when you can make it yourself in 5 min?

[AnnitaSims]

Huh wait a min, who told you i've made her in 5 minutes?If you want, go and see when i first made this therad.You will understand.Then the pic you posted is made with photoshop and such changes cannot be done the same in BS.I did not tell you're dictating me at all,im just worried cause when i re-uploaded her for second time everyone was saying that she would be accepted for sure and that she was perfect and after the rejection they changed their opinions and said she was not unique.What if the shame happens now?That's the reason i'm basing my sim in a pic and i have to make them similar to it.To be sure that i making the right changes that no one can doubt.Then don't think that this is the world's easiest thing, to change a sim's face ive 1.000.000 times!Your suggestions are very helpful to me and you're not dictating me but the pic you made is not like my source pic.

[heaven]

I think her eyes look A LOT better. I admit, I like having doe eyed sims in my game. They're just so adorable. However, have you SEEN what their children look like when they reproduce?!?!? I think the squinty eye makes her look 'sexy' in a kinda bad way. ;)

Also, looking back at the black and white picture of her face, I think her mouth needs to be a tad bit wider and not quite as large. At least the bottom lip still needs some adjusting. And I she needs a more arched eyebrow. It would make a difference.

[AnnitaSims]

Yes, you're right HS, however, no better forget about her babies i don't think it's a good idea..
Her eyes won't be like that she will have eyeliner to fill the gap in the top of the eyes.Indeed her lips should be like that you said but they can't because the are getting distorted when i try to makr them like that.I will retry.

[heaven]

Also, looking back, I think that one of the KEY problems with your PI from the picture is the face shape. Your source pic has a more heart shaped face. See the picture I included? I think your PI's face may be a little too long. :|

Her nose may need to be a bit more pointy at the end and upturned if you are trying to go for the source pic as well. And, like I keep saying, her lips need a lot of work. You'll get there.

The best thing about asking for feedback is getting a whole bunch of fresh eyes to the project, ones that are neutral. You have a lot of attachment to her because you have been working hard. Try not to get too defensive or people may not want to help you anymore.

PS. Obviously, I suck at hand drawing!!! :rofl:

[AnnitaSims]

You're very right HS but you know if i try to do all these now her face will get distorted.(i tried and it did)
So...i'm afraid that i have to make her all over again..
Indeed i'm very nervous cause i can't sometimes see some mistakes others see..But now i will restart her.

[Twi]

Wicked Poppies has a good point. And he wasn't saying that you made her in 5 minutes and he wasn't attacking you. We are just trying to give you feedback because you asked for it. To me, head-on she doesn't look too maxis-y, but from the profile it does. Maybe try like Wicked said and bring her bottom jaw forward.

[AnnitaSims]

I will make her again drom the start because i know that there are many mistakes and i'm confused.

[JavierMC20]

I'm confused too. I re-read this entire thread and the amount of consensus and then turn about on consensus is enough to make your head go spinning off your shoulders like a top. People are making suggestions and others the total opposite, then reversing their opinions and going off in totally different directions. This is not helpful feedback, it's a merry-go-round. If you all would stick to making suggestions based on her source picture, maybe she can progress and finally complete this project.

Annita: I feel for you! I don't think I could have stuck with this as long as you have, but don't give up. I've read some great suggestions in the feedback for you, just stick to the source and suggestions that improve on it. I could never make a sim at this point, too much for me. :D

[AnnitaSims]

Oh, thank you! :giggler: At least there's one person who understands that all these opposite suggestions are making me want to vomit..But ok from now on guys please, if you really want to help me, just post your suggestions on what i should do to make my sim like the resource pics. :)

[AnnitaSims]

Well.....Here's a first try.I forsee i will die soon. :help:


http://i25.tinypic.com/2dklao3.jpg

[Twi]

I think this is a great start :) However, can we see your sim with absolutely no CC - including skin- so that we can see the actual face sculpt and take it from there? From what I can see right now, I think the outer corner of her eyes needs to be lowered a bit.

[AnnitaSims]

http://i31.tinypic.com/11h9i5y.jpg

[harryishere]

I think her head needs to be wider. I know you can't do this with the sims 2 but you could give the illusion of this by making her features smaller and making her head shorter. I think this will also make he eyes look better because they look a bit like they are popping out of her head to much at the moment.

[AnnitaSims]

My, she's like a monster now i'll have to get over this shock firstly..She is distorted isn't she?So if i make her head wider she may be even worse..

[MistyBlue]

Don't panic, it's coming along nicely :)

- Eyebrows with a pointy arch would look better than the ones you're using now
- Lips a smidge shorter
- Cheekbones lower

That's it for now, I think you're getting there :bunny:

[Gena1985]

I think this may help you http://i30.tinypic.com/9h1kyv.jpg

[AnnitaSims]

Gena this is my source pic already,but thank u :-)

[Vampire_of_Death]

She rotated it for you so it is easier to compare.

-Lips need to be a click thinner
-Add a click of pinch to both the top and bottom lip.
-Bring the eyebrows down a click
-The eyes a click more closed, the liner will give you an illusion of open eyes without making her look forever surprised.

[heaven]

Since MTS was down last night and I had nothing to occupy my time, I went into my BS and tried to make PI myself. She is definitely not the easiest to sculpt with that cartoon face! One of the things that I did that someone suggested, straight off the bat, was pick a face shape, brow shape, eyes, so on and so forth instead of just using one face template. I am not sure if you tried this yet but it was REALLY helpful because each feature was as close as I could get it from the start. Then I tweaked it with the sliders. I think she turned out pretty well. I'm not planning on uploading her or anything, just wanted to see if I could try my own hand at it and maybe give you some suggestions from there.

I mean, she is obviously not perfect or uploadable, but choosing each feature little by little and then adjusting from there seems like a little thing, but works wonders! She also looks WAY better with CC, as they always do!

[harryishere]

What I think is your main problem is the source picture you are using. Because she is facing sideways and her face is hidden by hair it's not a very good picture to use. What I think you need to do is to draw a picture yourself using that image as a base to see what she looks like facing forward. Then once you have done that and pleased with it, it will make making this sim a lot easier :)

[hatthecat123]

I think you should try to make her jaw ALOT smoother then th rest of her face will look better, you can do this by playing around with the the face widening slider (in the general face edit section) and the various jaw sliders

[AnnitaSims]

Guys all these are hours of work!It's just ridiculus trying to edit more a sim with a bunch of mistakes and a distorted-now- face!i will find an other source pic-i'm thinking of making asylum ivy she looks even more sexy-
but i realize that the comical ivy is something impossible for me at this time..I'll post when i'll have updates.

[Wicked_poppies]

Ok, look at the pic I’ve attached. It’s not a Photoshop pic, it’s an actual sim I made from scratch in BS, and it took about 10 min. I started with the first maxis face default, and sculpting from what I saw in the reference pic, and interpreting the rest, this is the sim I got. She obviously isn’t exactly like the PI pic, but I think she looks really close while still not looking too exaggerated. I mean, it’s obvious that she’s not supposed to realistic, but she isn’t too cartoony. Most importantly, I don’t think anyone can say she’s too maxis like.
My point is that you can still make the sim like you wanted in the first place, and have her not too maxis like. I don’t know if you like the one I made or not, but maybe you can use this pic as a idea for changes you could make to your own sim to get her to the point she needs to be before uploading her.

[Vampire_of_Death]

Annita, that is exactly what you want to do and it shouldn't take hours to do, use wicked's sim and try to make your sim look more like his, without being exact.

[hatthecat123]

Annita to be frank you can work from your original face sculpt (or one you were pleased with) was that fine but wicked's one should help you fine tune her and to identify her main weaknesses, just make her more unique (sorry this is such a broad term) so that your really happy with her!
all this post needs is a bit of romantic music, you're Johny Dep and I'm Scarlet Johanson...what a chick flick that would be!