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2018 MTS Calendar Contest - posted on 12th Nov 2017 at 2:48 PM
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#1 Old 14th Oct 2017 at 9:40 PM
Default Teen-Adult Woohoo with awesomemod
Hello!

As a lot of you know probably, the creator of Awesomemod considers that teen-to adult woohoo in the sims 3 game is digusting (Although teens look a lot like adults) and therefore implemented a few rules in his mod which makes teen-adult woohoo impossible. If any romantic action is brought up between the two ages, the other sim will either accept and be treated as a pedophile (aka going to prison and losing his job) or, when a wohoo action is forced on them (thanks to nrass's woohooer for instance), the game crashes.

This has been around for some while, a few years actually, so I wanted to ask if anyone has found a way to override this feature (either by moving nraas's woohooer to the override folder or anything else) or just to disable it (disabling or enabling it in the awesomeconfig file doesn't work). I've learnt to love Awesomemod, and cound'nt possible play without it anymore, unfortunately.

Of cours, this is not ethical, and pedophilia is wrong, but I have a few reasons to use that mod in a few storytelling situations.

Thanks a lot in advance!
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#2 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 12:03 AM
The only reliable way around it that I know about is to not use Awesome Mod. There were other ways around it, but Pescado found out about them and closed the loopholes. You -might- still be able to uninstall AM, remove it, clear the caches, load the saved game and re-save without AM, then save and put AM back in if you need to clear the pedophile trait from a sim who has it. But I don't think there is any way to avoid getting it if a teen and an adult have a romantic interaction.

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#3 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 1:09 AM
Dang it, this is so annoying. Its quite amazing that no one has been able to change the mod yet, or at least to create another mod overriding this, considering that a lot of sims player had problems with this feature in AM. Then again, there are less and less sims 3 modders out there.....
Instructor
#4 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 2:35 AM
Why not ask this question at Awesome mod rather than at Mod The Sims?
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#5 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 2:49 AM
Awesome shouldn't really be crashing the game if you make adults and teens woohoo in accordance with its configuration settings, or at least it's not really supposed to. What Pes did was cause the mod to boobytrap the game save file so that if you try to remove Awesome subsequently to get around the restrictions and the pedo bear on an ongoing game save that did have Awesome in play, then the game will crash. I accidentally found a way to bypass the booby trap when I removed Awesome (properly) from my ongoing game just as I was switching from TS3 for Mac to Windows years ago and it did not trigger on my saved games ported over. But I wouldn't at all recommend switching operating systems just for that and it could have been a fluke that the booby trap fizzled in my case anyway.

No one can "fix" or change Awesome other than its developer. It is a Core Mod and it's not open sourced like NRaas mods are; it's not like we can open the compiled mod in some kind of editing program and start moving the code around or create tuning files for that which is not tunable. The real answer if you don't want this "feature" is to play without the mod. There are still some functions of Awesome that I miss all these years later, but I'm overall happier having found substitutes for the ones that have them and not being subject to this restriction. Especially, although not limited to, teen couples where one ages up quite a while before the other.
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#6 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 6:30 AM
It's possible to do teens romancing with adults by aging the teen up early and aging them back cosmetically in CAS using a hight slider to make the young adult shorter like a teen and making a few other changes to make them look and seem younger.It's how I would do anything like that.You can still use awsomemod and get the benefits like no autmated school assignment and have "teens" romacing adults with short young adults posing as teens.
Theorist
#7 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 6:32 AM
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Originally Posted by igazor
What Pes did was cause the mod to boobytrap the game save file so that if you try to remove Awesome subsequently to get around the restrictions and the pedo bear on an ongoing game save that did have Awesome in play, then the game will crash.

Wow Pes sounds like a jerk. Is it even legal to mess with people's games like this, by making them crash? It sounds like a damaging virus to me, not like a helpful mod. I'm glad I stopped using his mod long ago.
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#8 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 6:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Babahara
Wow Pes sounds like a jerk. Is it even legal to mess with people's games like this, by making them crash? It sounds like a damaging virus to me, not like a helpful mod. I'm glad I stopped using his mod long ago.


I'm not a lawyer, but since it's an unofficial, download at own risk, modification to a game, and not the OS, I doubt there's any legal issues here. It's some code that crashes a piece of software used for entertainment, not a hospital system. The base OS is completely unaffected, so I'm boarding on it being legal. Even if it did crash the OS, the specifics are what determines the legality of it from what I can tell. However, I'm not a lawyer, so I'm just guessing.

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#9 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 8:03 AM Last edited by igazor : 16th Oct 2017 at 7:50 PM.
Great, now I'm going to have nightmares about people using the TS3 game engine to run a real life hospital system (or even better, a nuclear reactor). Pes is pretty open and clear about what he did, the crashy thing is not meant to be a "Haha, I gotcha!" moment. Since teen-adult and even teen-teen woohoo don't exist in an unmodded game, it's not like he took something away that players already had unless they approached his mod after having had NRaas Woohooer or some other solution in play.

And removing the mod has no impact at all on yet to be started new game saves, only the ones that were already in play.

Yes, Pescado is a Jerk. He proudly proclaims such right in his signature line, along with Fat and Obstropulous (not sure that's the right word, but something like that). He's also a genius mod developer. But regardless, this is more an example of being Heavy-Handed than anything else.
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#10 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 10:07 AM
@igazor - I think the Force of Stupidity (the One and True One Power in the Universe which is independed of the 3rd principle of thermodynamics) could push some genius to that.

Anyway - there's no way around. You buy all or nothing from Pescado. Because "he's a Jerk". The One and the Only I'd personally prefer he would not be so "daddy knows better" -ish, forcing players to follow his own vision of how this game should be played (that's why I prefer NRaas Suite), but there're angels and devils and nobody knows which is worse with theors 'knowing better' until one dare to ask wrong question on particular site and the hell shall break ...

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#11 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 10:26 AM
It is a bit more complicated in any case, because it is very well possible to remove AM from an ongoing save without the game crashing or damaging the save. I did it regularly in order to avoid a still unresolved bug that affects travel to the future world and those games are still very much alive. The crash trap seems to be restricted solely to the teen-adult romance scenario and the Pedophile and Pedobait traits.

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Originally Posted by Emmett Brown
Why not ask this question at Awesome mod rather than at Mod The Sims?
That's a pretty cruel suggestion
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#12 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 12:40 PM
@Emmet Brown, if i was to post it on the awesomemod forum, i would soon be lacerated by Percado and his fanboys. To be honest, just like @ElaineNualla said, their "know it all" attitude and forcing their views on others is something I don't really appreciate, especially their lack of help and support for new modders and people with questions. But once again, he's a genius modder and I've really learnt to become addicted to this mod because of its game-helping features.

The right term wouldn't be crashing though, the game just quits as if I had prompted it to do, with a loading screen and the sims 3 music, and only during teen-adult Woohoo. I had seen the same issues with other users but unfortunately nothing major has been issued against it.

@TadOlson I could do that of course, but it kinda hurts the storystelling hahaha. Too bad, I'll have to find a way around it :x

"It is a Core Mod and it's not open sourced like NRaas mods are; it's not like we can open the compiled mod in some kind of editing program and start moving the code around or create tuning files for that which is not tunable" I didn't know that, thanks for explaining it! I was wondering why no one had tweaked it like you could in a nraas mod, this explains so much....and it makes me sad.
May I ask what replacements you found?
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#13 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 1:56 PM
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Originally Posted by pyooon
"It is a Core Mod and it's not open sourced like NRaas mods are; it's not like we can open the compiled mod in some kind of editing program and start moving the code around or create tuning files for that which is not tunable" I didn't know that, thanks for explaining it! I was wondering why no one had tweaked it like you could in a nraas mod, this explains so much....and it makes me sad.
May I ask what replacements you found?

Oh gosh, it's been years now. I'd have to go back to the AM documentation and look for the rudimentary checklist I made back then, if I can even find it. Mostly though, with a few exceptions, the replacements would have been by way of the remaining NRaas mods I hadn't yet been using at the time because they would have been redundant alongside of AM.
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#14 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 2:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pyooon
...their "know it all" attitude and forcing their views on others is something I don't really appreciate, especially their lack of help and support for new modders and people with questions.

You don't have to go on the MATY forum, nor use the mod, you know. No-one is forcing anyone to do anything- merely someone offering a mod they made to their own requirements, to others if they so choose to use it.

The forum is for the owner's amusement, not public service.
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#15 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 3:03 PM
http://www.modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=588779 is an auto-collect mod by douglasviega. It's not quite as good as Supreme Commander, but it's better than you having to hunt all over the map and then queue up 8 pick-up commands. Just remember that your collecting sim does need a bit of attention, because they do stop sooner than they do with Supreme Commander.

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#16 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 4:16 PM
Thanks a lot for all the help! I guess I'll just find replacements for Awesomemod (or at least for my favoite features of it)
Instructor
#17 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 8:40 PM

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#18 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 9:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ElaineNualla
well, it's -in my very personal and maybe completely wrong point of view - a bit of disgusting way of amusement, too close to bullying to be funny and also particular "topic oversensivity" were (for me) somewhat unhealthy for a more or less matured people.

But nevertheless, it's true that the site owner gets to choose the rules of the site and conduct it as he pleases (just as with this website); and no-one is forced to participate in the forum or even to register. Indeed, MATY mods may be downloaded without registration.

The site owner is not obliged to supply versions of mods that are to everyone's taste, nor to offer support for mods. I was making a comment on the OP's use of the phrases 'forcing their views on others' and 'lack of help and support' rather than making a comment about the morality of the site.
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#19 Old 15th Oct 2017 at 11:17 PM
And it isn't even that it isn't made crystal clear over there. That's why complaining about this at MATY is an open invitation to being mocked at worst or ignored at best. As far as I recall Pescado didn't want to unlock T-A romance at all, but some of the other "Senators" urged him to. So, to spite them, he did unlock it but added consequences if they used it.

I still find this rather funny, to be honest.

Something similar happened with same sex pregnancy, btw. It is possible with AwesomeMod (or used to until alien pregnancy messed with the process) but you need a second mod to get the interactions (it was supposed to only be possible in the hospital, but that didn't work) and then the genetics are according to what Pescado deems biologically correct (female-female pregnancy, for example, will never result in a boy)
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#20 Old 16th Oct 2017 at 12:22 AM
Just adding my two cents:
You can get good support at MATY. Just don't post a question that you can google the answer to, be polite, and make an effort to keep your post spelled correctly with correct grammar.

I don't remember what my question was, but a few years ago I was googling one, and the top link for an answer went to MATY where the same question had been asked by someone else and was answered by Pescado.

Note: I'm not saying that the atmosphere over there is not too toxic to endure. It is, especially if you come across as a fool, because they don't suffer fools lightly. I'm not recommending that anyone go there unless they absolutely have to. But if you need support that you can't find with Google or by asking here at MTS, and you watch your step while you are there, you can get some support. (And it's a good example of a site where the site rules don't require you to be polite, although common sense will tend to enforce the same rules.)

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#21 Old 16th Oct 2017 at 7:42 AM Last edited by Emmett Brown : 16th Oct 2017 at 8:34 PM.
Well, to be honest, I heard that the folks at "More Awesome than You" were very rude of those who asked questions and that if you downloaded the mod with Teens enabled it would somehow destroy your game while they could simply just remove that option. I've never used Awesome Mod - I'm not smart enough to be treated kindly there, and I don't think that using a mod made by someone who would sabotage your computer and treat folks rudely is something I want to do.
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#22 Old 16th Oct 2017 at 7:32 PM
They often are quite rude over there. I never said otherwise. One reason that I didn't object too strongly when my web filter started blocking it was that I rarely went there if I could avoid it anyway. (But I did have to fiddle with the settings when it suddenly decided that MTS was a porn site.)

But Awesome Mod doesn't sabotage your entire computer if you use Awesome Mod with teen/adult woohoo enabled. Just that particular save. And only if you really can't live with something like Mortimer Goth being a pedophile because he was on a date with Bella and she continued the date when he aged up early. If you're ok with some sims being pedophiles and pedobait, it doesn't even muck up the game. (At least no more than EA did.) And he did provide a tool for those who are not good at XML editing to tweak his non-core changes. The expiration date was the game-breaker for me. When I was having to choose between internet and medicine, being able to download the newest AM got low enough on my priority list that I learned to get along without it.

If you really look at Pescado's posts, yes he is a jerk. But he's an honest jerk who does care about fairness and who has a great sense of humor. And sometimes, when he's a bit off guard, a decent human being starts showing through. (They are gone with the download now, but his posts on the download page of someone who had plagiarized that particular download from a young creator he knew were absolutely priceless.) You get fair warning not to use AM for teen-adult woohoo if you don't want consequences, you get fair warning about those consequences, you get a bit of fair warning that those consequences are not easily avoided unless you simply don't use AM in that game, so it's not a surprise. It's an outgrowth of a moral position which he was not willing to compromise on.

And yes, I like him. It took me a while to realize it, and I'm never going to be one of his MATY fangirls, but I like him.

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