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Doctors Need Degrees

by KittyCarey Posted 10th Jun 2021 at 5:45 PM - Updated 22nd Jun 2021 at 1:02 PM by KittyCarey
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This mod requires Cyjon's Smarter EP Check, found here: http://cyjon.net/node/323

In the real world, it is not possible to be a doctor, a teacher, a scientist, or a lawyer without a degree. While the lowest levels of the career are something that anyone can do, very quickly you would find that the next job up is only available with the right qualifications.

Other careers, however, don't need to be so strict. Why would criminals or gamers care what sort of education you've had? And why do you need a degree to get any job in Paranormal?

If you've ever been bothered by this in your sims 2 games, this mod is for you!

How it works:
Sims are divided into five categories depending on their education:
- Graduated sims have graduated university
- Diploma sims attended university and reached at least their Junior year before dropping out or being expelled.
- High School C sims achieved at least a C at high school but either never went to university or dropped out early (or were created in CAS)
- High School D sims achieved between D- and C- at high school.
- High School F sims failed high school.

Careers are divided into four different categories. Within each career category, there is a different maximum level for each type of sim, as well as a different chance of being promoted past that point.

Careers that require a degree:
Careers: Medicine, Science, Natural Science, Law, Education
Limits: Graduated = 10, Diploma = 5, High School C = 3, High School D = 1 and High School F = 1.
Chance of passing limit: None whatsoever. Sorry sims.

Careers that a degree is very useful:
Careers: Business, Law Enforcement, Military, Show Business, Journalism, Architecture, Intelligence, Oceanography
Limits: Graduated = 10, Diploma = 7, High School C = 5, High School D = 3, High School F = 1.
Chance of passing limit: 10% per attempt (so it's possible, but unlikely).

Careers that a diploma is useful:
Careers: Athletics, Culinary, Politics, Slacker, Artist, Paranormal, Music, Entertainment, Dance
Limits: Graduated = 10, Diploma = 10, High School C = 7, High School D = 5, High School F = 3
Chance of passing limit: 25% per attempt (so while promotions are slower, they do happen)

Careers that do not care about your education:
Careers: Criminal, Adventurer, Gamer
Limits: All sims = 10

When a promotion comes up in a chance card, this mod runs the same checks as it would for any other promotion, and so the promotion may not happen. In that case, you will still get the promotion bonus (as otherwise you wouldn't get anything for a successful chance card pick).

Update: Custom careers now default to the [i]Careers that a diploma is useful[\i] category, so redownload if you have a custom career. Instructions for adding custom careers to other categories are also available.

Conflicts:
Cyjon's Edukashun iz Gud (this is an expanded version)
Pescado's harderjobs (if this loads last, it will work without the job limits)
Anything that mods the bhavs "Qualify for level" or "Chance card - results"

Thanks:
Cyjon, whose [i]Edukashun iz Gud[\i] was the base for this mod, and whose code I have shamelessly used thanks to their generous 'don't reinvent the wheel' policy.
All the makers of SimPE, without which this mod would never have made any progress.

You must have the expansion or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

Sims 2 University
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Lab Assistant
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#2 Old 10th Jun 2021 at 6:05 PM
I've been wanting this for my legacy. Oh, the aspiration failures to be had.
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#3 Old 10th Jun 2021 at 9:57 PM
This looks fun! Can't wait to try this mod out.
And yeah, it's kinda weird that a sim can literally become a mad scientist and doctor with no degree at all... so, thanks for fixing this!
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#4 Old 11th Jun 2021 at 6:37 AM
Ohhh I love this! Trying it out ASAP. For Sims who already have a job but not a degree (like premades), they'll keep their job, right? Since I'm assuming this only affects promotions...
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#5 Old 11th Jun 2021 at 7:22 AM
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Originally Posted by annachibi
Ohhh I love this! Trying it out ASAP. For Sims who already have a job but not a degree (like premades), they'll keep their job, right? Since I'm assuming this only affects promotions...


This only affects promotions, so premades etc. will keep their jobs. They just won't be able to be promoted, and if they get demoted they won't be able to be promoted back to where they were.
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#6 Old 11th Jun 2021 at 2:44 PM
This is great! I'm definetely trying it out!!
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#7 Old 11th Jun 2021 at 3:37 PM
Love the idea of this! Brings a nice dose of realism into the game. Thank you
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#8 Old 11th Jun 2021 at 6:50 PM
I've been using Edukashun Iz Gud for a (short) while but this one makes more sense for my taste. Can't wait to try it out!
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#9 Old 12th Jun 2021 at 5:06 PM
This is BEAUTIFUL!!! I wonder if it will be compatible with Lazy Duchess' SP...that would be perfection.
Test Subject
#10 Old 12th Jun 2021 at 7:23 PM
This is compatible with Traits Projects mods?? Please i need this in my game
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#11 Old 13th Jun 2021 at 1:20 AM
I got it as soon as i saw it!! I really loved the idea of this mod but i notice something else while in game, since i got the mod i got a sim that goes to work in his own car got a blank pop up that is supposed to be that "Sim should be at work in 1hour". I started having this after getting this mod so i decided to ask here if is indeed related to this mod... Thanks in advance!!
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#12 Old 13th Jun 2021 at 3:08 AM
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Originally Posted by AmandaMM
I got it as soon as i saw it!! I really loved the idea of this mod but i notice something else while in game, since i got the mod i got a sim that goes to work in his own car got a blank pop up that is supposed to be that "Sim should be at work in 1hour". I started having this after getting this mod so i decided to ask here if is indeed related to this mod... Thanks in advance!!


It shouldn't be this mod, but it's possible as this mod has replaced a few of the files the game uses for work messages. What expansions are you using? Do you have any other job-related mods, particularly ones that introduce new text messages in the game?
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#13 Old 13th Jun 2021 at 3:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RueOne
This is compatible with Traits Projects mods?? Please i need this in my game


I can sort of answer this one - it's compatible with Traits Projects mods that aren't changing work rules. There is a big mod that changes how likely sims are to get promoted based on relevant traits that isn't compatible with this one - if it says it isn't compatible with Edukashun iz Gud, it isn't compatible with this.

However, making a mod that does both is probably not that complicated - and I'm happy for a joint version to exist. Get in touch with the creator of that mod and ask if they'd be ok with it, and I'm happy to make an update.
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#14 Old 13th Jun 2021 at 6:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KittyCarey
It shouldn't be this mod, but it's possible as this mod has replaced a few of the files the game uses for work messages. What expansions are you using? Do you have any other job-related mods, particularly ones that introduce new text messages in the game?


I know i have 3 custom careers plus one set that adds NPC jobs as careers, but in this case my sim was a doctor. I also use the traits project, but i don't remember exacly wich mods i got because i remember avoiding some at time to avoid conflicts. Also i'm playing the UC. When i play in other households i'll see if the pop up still caming blank for other sims.
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#15 Old 14th Jun 2021 at 1:02 AM
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Originally Posted by KittyCarey
I can sort of answer this one - it's compatible with Traits Projects mods that aren't changing work rules. There is a big mod that changes how likely sims are to get promoted based on relevant traits that isn't compatible with this one - if it says it isn't compatible with Edukashun iz Gud, it isn't compatible with this.

However, making a mod that does both is probably not that complicated - and I'm happy for a joint version to exist. Get in touch with the creator of that mod and ask if they'd be ok with it, and I'm happy to make an update.


Oh, that would be fantastic! Unfortunately, hexagonal-bipyramid has been inactive since October last year, so I really don't know how you could contact her, one way or the other, if you decide to do the update I'll wait patiently!
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#16 Old 14th Jun 2021 at 4:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RueOne
Oh, that would be fantastic! Unfortunately, hexagonal-bipyramid has been inactive since October last year, so I really don't know how you could contact her, one way or the other, if you decide to do the update I'll wait patiently!


Then I will work on a set of instructions for editing it yourself - but you might have to wait a while for it I'm afraid until I have time. You'll need SimPE.
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#17 Old 14th Jun 2021 at 2:24 PM
This would be wonderful, but since adult Sims can't go back to college like they can in real life, this is a bit more limiting than I'd like. If there was a mod that would allow adult Sims to get their degrees later, I'd be all for this.
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#18 Old 16th Jun 2021 at 7:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Handman50
This would be wonderful, but since adult Sims can't go back to college like they can in real life, this is a bit more limiting than I'd like. If there was a mod that would allow adult Sims to get their degrees later, I'd be all for this.


There is a mod around called "Adults Go To College" that lets adult sims move to the university subhood and do a degree, but I agree that's not perfect. My next project is trying to make a way for adults or elders to take degrees online - but that's a big project that will take me a long time!

Depending on which career you're trying to work in, this isn't as limiting as you might think. As long as their final high school grade was reasonable, any of the careers that a diploma is useful for are perfectly possible to reach the top of, if slightly slower than a sim with some university qualifications - and those plus the three careers with no educational requirements make up almost half the careers.
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#19 Old 20th Jun 2021 at 12:39 PM
This mod is awesome! I have some customs careers though and I understand that it´s not working with them, which i really like because these custom careers are maxis npc jobs, e.g. gardener, maid etc and it doesn´t make sense for them to be capped at certain level. However, for some reason whenever my sim looks for a job and custom job is offered the game throws an error. Is this what was meant by conflict with custom careers?

Edit: I have attached the error log just in case.
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File Type: txt ObjectError_SHBA_t763718.txt (80.1 KB, 6 downloads)
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#20 Old 22nd Jun 2021 at 1:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RheiaM
This mod is awesome! I have some customs careers though and I understand that it´s not working with them, which i really like because these custom careers are maxis npc jobs, e.g. gardener, maid etc and it doesn´t make sense for them to be capped at certain level. However, for some reason whenever my sim looks for a job and custom job is offered the game throws an error. Is this what was meant by conflict with custom careers?

Edit: I have attached the error log just in case.


There is now an updated version that allows custom careers and doesn't throw errors (I hope). Please redownload and delete your old version.

Custom careers will all be the diploma is useful category. If anyone wants to have a custom career in another category I have made instructions, but MTS isn't letting me upload .docx or .pdf files so I can't upload it. Send me a PM if you want them and I'll see if I can send them that way.
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#21 Old 28th Jun 2021 at 1:40 PM Last edited by D.J.ELMME : 28th Jun 2021 at 2:32 PM. Reason: Terminology.
This is a great mod! Unfortunately, as far as I can tell through my testing, you need the UC or All Expansions (I have Base Game + EP1 installed only at the moment). When you try to "Find a Job" the jump bug occurs. I could be wrong though. Would be cool if there were seperate packages for each expansion that added careers. Maybe that would help with compatibility, not sure if it is possible though?

EDIT: Yes, as expected, it works fine with the Ultimate Collection, but not with Base Game + EP1.
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#22 Old 30th Jun 2021 at 5:41 AM
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Originally Posted by D.J.ELMME
This is a great mod! Unfortunately, as far as I can tell through my testing, you need the UC or All Expansions (I have Base Game + EP1 installed only at the moment). When you try to "Find a Job" the jump bug occurs. I could be wrong though. Would be cool if there were seperate packages for each expansion that added careers. Maybe that would help with compatibility, not sure if it is possible though?

EDIT: Yes, as expected, it works fine with the Ultimate Collection, but not with Base Game + EP1.


Thanks for letting me know - I have Ultimate Collection and therefore no chance to test for other combinations. The way the code is written should allow for missing expansions - did you download the Smarter EP Check from Cyjon? If that's not it, however, I don't think separate packages would help. If you upload an error report I can see where the error is occurring and see what I can do.

Also, does the jump bug occur every time you find a job (including different days/ households) or just sometimes? If just sometimes, can you try without the mod to see which career is being offered?
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#23 Old 30th Jun 2021 at 2:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KittyCarey
Thanks for letting me know - I have Ultimate Collection and therefore no chance to test for other combinations. The way the code is written should allow for missing expansions - did you download the Smarter EP Check from Cyjon? If that's not it, however, I don't think separate packages would help. If you upload an error report I can see where the error is occurring and see what I can do.

Also, does the jump bug occur every time you find a job (including different days/ households) or just sometimes? If just sometimes, can you try without the mod to see which career is being offered?

Hi, so I used Smarter EP Check with Ultimate Collection and Base Game + EP1. UC showed no errors and worked exactly as expected, Base Game + EP1 showed errors everytime.

Things I tested: "Find a Job"
- Multiple Sims in different households
- Different Days
- Newspaper
- Computer
- A Clean Neighbourhood
- No other packages

Attached is a log from my last session.

Thanks for taking the time to look at this.
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File Type: txt ObjectError_N001_t604019.txt (96.1 KB, 7 downloads)
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#24 Old 1st Jul 2021 at 1:06 PM
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Originally Posted by D.J.ELMME
Hi, so I used Smarter EP Check with Ultimate Collection and Base Game + EP1. UC showed no errors and worked exactly as expected, Base Game + EP1 showed errors everytime.

Things I tested: "Find a Job"
- Multiple Sims in different households
- Different Days
- Newspaper
- Computer
- A Clean Neighbourhood
- No other packages

Attached is a log from my last session.

Thanks for taking the time to look at this.


Thank you for testing this and uploading the log. Unfortunately I have bad news: the errors seem to be coming from the part of the code that unlocks the university careers for all sims that comes directly from Cyjon's mod, and I don't know how to make the compatible with just EP1.

The good news is that the rest of the mod should work without it - so I have attached a new version for you in this post. If you'd like to test out this one, please do and let me know if it works. If so, I can upload it on the main page for anyone else in your situation (and I'll work on understanding the issue with the standard version).
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File Type: 7z KittyCarey-DoctorsNeedDegrees-v1-1_noUnlockCheck.7z (19.9 KB, 5 downloads)
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