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Auto Shorter Teens

by Menaceman44 Posted 16th May 2020 at 4:23 PM - Updated 13th Mar 2021 at 9:16 PM by Menaceman44 : Updated Files
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Description
This has been a long time coming.
Ever since the announcement of The Sims 4 and the realisation that Teens would be the same height as Adults I have hoped and dreamed that it would one day be possible to shorten them down with mods.

Mods were created to address this and I was overjoyed but then patches would break them only for them to never be updated.
Fantastic sliders were created to alter the heights of Sims but it all had to be done manually and then reset once a Sim aged past the Teen stage.

I wanted something that would work automatically on all Teens in the game whether played or not and return them to normal height once they passed the Teen stage.
Today I bring you just that!

Info
This mod is an amalgamation of my own work and that of several other wonderful creators used with their permission.
I would very much like to thank simmythesim for the initial early work into height sliders and a shorter Teen mod.
Luumia whos height sliders the modifiers in this mod come from.
NiveaSimsCC whos bone delta values were added to Luumia's modifiers to tweak the result more to my liking.
And CmarNYC for piecing together how to obtain the Instance values required to make this mod work.
Without the help of these wonderful creators I would not have been able to bring this to you today.

So, onto the details.
First of all this is NOT a slider or a body preset.
This mod overrides the Teen specific CAS Modifier Tuning XMLs for each of the occult types and adds in a new reference to the short height modifier.
This means that any Sim that is created as a Teen in CAS, or ages up to a Teen through normal gameplay will automatically be shorter than Adult Sims. It also means that once they age past the Teen stage they will return to the default height for an Adult Sim.
You don't need to do anything different to have this mod take affect on newly created or aged Teens.

It is important to note, however, that already existing Teens will NOT automatically become shorter upon installing this mod. There is a way around this though.
Open the cheat console and enter the cas.fulleditmode cheat. Now take the existing Teen Sim into CAS either through a mirror, dresser, or other method. Once in CAS you need to change either the Sim's frame or gender and then switch back for the shorter height to be applied. You can then exit CAS.

I haven't noticed any oddities when Teens interact with or carry Toddlers or small pets.
A useful side effect of this mod makes it easier to identify Teens from the Relationships and Household Members panels as their pictures will appear lower in the frame when compared to Adults.

I hope you all enjoy your (mostly) automatically shorter Teens!

Notes
As with all height related mods there will be some clipping of animations and certain interactions between Sims of different heights may not align correctly. Correcting those is outside the scope of this mod although I have tried to use values that reduce this.
Teens and Young Adults uploaded to the Gallery will be flagged as containing CC. Pointed out to me by Spiderses. I forgot to check Gallery usage.
This mod is, as far as I am aware and have tested, compatible with other height slider mods. This means you can alter the individual heights of Sims still, including Teens, if you like with the use of other CC sliders.
When creating a Sim and selecting a new body preset for a Teen they may reset to Adult height. To fix this simply swap their gender and then swap back again. Swapping frames does not work in this situation.
On one occassion during testing, after editing a pre-existing Teen their left hand went missing after exiting CAS. After a few minutes of in-game time the hand returned on its own.
If you use Khitsule's pointy ears unlocker then make sure to choose one of the "PlusEarsUnlocker" versions.
This mod also corrects an EA error where the tuning for Teen Spellcasters incorrectly classifies them as Vampires instead.

Conflicts


The mod will conflict with CaS Modifiers bugfix: Aging & Randomization by Shimrod101 although that mod may no longer work anyway since the other modifiers used in it seem to have been removed from the game files.
It will also conflict with Pointy Ears Unlocked - All Ages by Khitsune. If you use this, make sure to download the "PlusEarsUnlocker" version instead and place the file in an Override folder.

March 12th 2021
In an attempt to address the issue where Teens will not get taller when aging to Young Adults for some players, I have recreated the mod with fresh tuning and now included the Young Adult modifier tunings with minor alterations as well.

26th May 2020
Thanks to the feedback from cedrigo I have made it so that Teens necks will now scale down to better suit the smaller propotions. This will affect all Sims as there are no seperate modifiers for the different gender options.
DClick mentioned that this mod conflicts with Khitsule's Pointy Ears Unlocker and so I have added a new version which should mean you can keep both files in your game and still have access to the pointy ears modifiers for Teens.
Lastly, FullMetalAlchemist requested a version that uses the same height as NiveaSimsCC's Teen Preset. There are two versions of this. One with the pointed ears unlocked and one without.
If you spot anything iffy please let me know. I had to edit a lot of numerical values for all the new versions and my eyes might have missed something.

Additional Credits:
MorphMaker,
Sims4Studio,
s4pe.

You must have the expansion, game version or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

Sims 4
Built with Game Version: 1.71.86.10
Key: - File was updated after upload was posted
Filename - Tip: You can click the magnifying glass to see the archive contents Size Downloads Date
MMautoShorterTeensShortestPlusEarsUnlocker.zip | For players who want the shortest Teens and also use Khitsule's pointy ears unlocker.

Size: 40.2 KB · Downloads: 13,498 · 12th Mar 2021
40.2 KB 13,498 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeensShortest.zip | Alternate version to make Teens even shorter. Same height as NiveaSimsCC's Teen preset.

Size: 40.1 KB · Downloads: 20,268 · 12th Mar 2021
40.1 KB 20,268 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeensPlusEarsUnlocker.zip | Same as basic file but also unlocks pointed ear manipulation for users of Khitsule's unlocker.

Size: 39.9 KB · Downloads: 9,506 · 12th Mar 2021
39.9 KB 9,506 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeens.zip | Basic mod to make Teens shorter. Main download.

Size: 40.2 KB · Downloads: 58,225 · 12th Mar 2021
40.2 KB 58,225 12th Mar 2021
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Field Researcher
#26 Old 17th May 2020 at 1:08 PM
Default Nicely Done.
Thank you for correcting something that should have been in the Sims from day one.

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Instructor
#27 Old 17th May 2020 at 1:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Menaceman44
Yes, both files play nicely together in the game. You can also apply both at the same time. You could even if you wanted, apply BOTH of NiveaSimsCC's presets on top of this mod. Ths results in VERY tiny Teens.


Oh, OK, the forehead and ear preset, plus your mod... I have to see those tiny teens in game! :p

"Deep down I'm pretty superficial"

Scholar
THANKS POST
#28 Old 17th May 2020 at 5:08 PM
Wow, this is amazing! Thank you so much!
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#29 Old 17th May 2020 at 5:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by deathrolla
Super Dooper Tall Teen Pooper :-D

Hey, don't forget that this still works with other height slider and preset mods. You could still make your Teen Sims taller if you like and then they would grow up into taller Young Adults.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#30 Old 17th May 2020 at 5:59 PM
Genial, era necesario un mod así. Lo instalé, pero no parece que haya habido cambios tan notables como los de las imágenes. Y me refiero a los adolescentes creados, ni hablar de los que ya estaban que el mod no los afecta, ni en unos ni en otros parece funcionar. Quizás tenga otro mod que lo esté complicando pero no me sale ningún LE. Gracias de todas formas!
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#31 Old 17th May 2020 at 6:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Amber Lokisdotter
I'm going to presume that some CAS items in the hats category will no longer work correctly on them. I'm personally willing to live with that for this.

No problem with hats at all. This mod just basically scales everything down so you won't have to worry about floating hats or that sort of thing.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Field Researcher
THANKS POST
#32 Old 17th May 2020 at 6:52 PM
Thank You so much I'd love to get some mod to create preteen as well out from teen or kid, not as override but cas preset perhaps? not to mention some mod to add preteens as working life stage would be best! anyway it's great to get shorter teens as they indeed look like adults and it's so badly made
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#33 Old 17th May 2020 at 8:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadfulButterfly
Thank You so much I'd love to get some mod to create preteen as well out from teen or kid, not as override but cas preset perhaps? not to mention some mod to add preteens as working life stage would be best! anyway it's great to get shorter teens as they indeed look like adults and it's so badly made

You should check out NiveaSimsCC on tumblr then. She's got a Preteen preset she's working on.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Lab Assistant
#34 Old 17th May 2020 at 8:42 PM
THANKS!!! This really, really bugged me! I hated how I would sometimes find a sim I wanted mine to flirt with but it turns out the sim that looked like an adult was a teen, they literally look no different! Finally, an immersive fix that applies to nearly all <3
Instructor
#35 Old 18th May 2020 at 12:12 AM Last edited by alexpilgrim : 18th May 2020 at 5:08 PM.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Merov
Genial, era necesario un mod así. Lo instalé, pero no parece que haya habido cambios tan notables como los de las imágenes. Y me refiero a los adolescentes creados, ni hablar de los que ya estaban que el mod no los afecta, ni en unos ni en otros parece funcionar. Quizás tenga otro mod que lo esté complicando pero no me sale ningún LE. Gracias de todas formas!


Este mod no afecta a los adolescentes ya presentes en el juego, tienes que entrar en CAS usando cas.editmode, y allí cambiarlos de género y de nuevo al género original para que se aplique el mod.

En los adolescentes nuevos yo sí noto la diferencia, no es drástica pero son algo más bajos que los adultos (supongo que una diferencia mucho mayor podría distorsionar las animaciones?). Puedes acumular el efecto usando además los "presets" de NiveaSims. Si aplicas los dos (el de la frente y el de las orejas) tendrás adolescentes muy muy bajitos!

Si es por otro mod en tu juego no siempre te tiene que salir un LE, prueba el método 50/50 a ver si hay suerte

"Deep down I'm pretty superficial"

Lab Assistant
THANKS POST
#36 Old 18th May 2020 at 1:22 AM
OMFG! Saved the day once more Menaceman! Thanks for doing this!!!
Lab Assistant
#37 Old 18th May 2020 at 8:35 AM
I’m still using a feet pulling thing in CAS I got from my cousin who doesn’t play the game any more. Would this work with that so teens I don’t play are still shorter than adults?
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#38 Old 18th May 2020 at 1:59 PM
Sorry @merov I can only understand English. I hope alexpilgrim was able to help.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 8265jww
I’m still using a feet pulling thing in CAS I got from my cousin who doesn’t play the game any more. Would this work with that so teens I don’t play are still shorter than adults?

Yes. This shouldn't stop any other height slider mods working and you should be able to use them all in your game at the same time.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Lab Assistant
#39 Old 18th May 2020 at 4:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Menaceman44
Sorry @merov I can only understand English. I hope alexpilgrim was able to help.


Yes. This shouldn't stop any other height slider mods working and you should be able to use them all in your game at the same time.

Oh thanks.
Instructor
#40 Old 18th May 2020 at 5:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Menaceman44
Sorry @merov I can only understand English. I hope alexpilgrim was able to help.


I did my best, glad to help anytime

"Deep down I'm pretty superficial"

Scholar
THANKS POST
#41 Old 18th May 2020 at 9:26 PM
Thanks, I am definitely going to try this
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#42 Old 19th May 2020 at 5:39 AM
I just put this in my game today and i'm so grateful for it! One thing i noticed though it that when i switched frames or gender to apply it to my existing teens, it drastically slimmed down their bodies and I had to rebuild their frames. This was both boy and girl sims, but I only tried it on my spellcaster families so not sure if it's just an occult thing or across the board.

In any case thank you SO MUCH this is going to make gameplay much easier for me. I can never tell teens apart from adults, which can be awkward.
Lab Assistant
THANKS POST
#43 Old 19th May 2020 at 10:27 PM
Wonderful!!!
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#44 Old 20th May 2020 at 4:22 AM
We needed this bad. Thank you.
Top Secret Researcher
#45 Old 20th May 2020 at 4:25 PM
Oh and FYI the hand going missing thing has been like an issue for me so randomly. My sims will lose a hand and then a few days later it comes back, or I have them travel and it is back. It is a weird glitch I have had before this mod and idk why it happens.
Test Subject
#46 Old 20th May 2020 at 6:20 PM
What means changing the Sims Frame? I don't want to change the Gender.
Test Subject
#47 Old 20th May 2020 at 7:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MortiferusX
What means changing the Sims Frame? I don't want to change the Gender.


You only have to change their gender temporarily and then change it back to get the height to work on existing teens.
Test Subject
#48 Old 20th May 2020 at 10:15 PM
Thank you for this mod! Is there a way I can adjust the height that teens default to? I looked at the presets you mentioned by Nivea and I like their heights, but I'd like the height to be auto like this mod.
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#49 Old 21st May 2020 at 12:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MortiferusX
What means changing the Sims Frame? I don't want to change the Gender.

It means swapping their body shape from masculine to feminine or the opposite way around. The change only has to be temporary and you don't need to exit CAS until you swap them back to their original body.
It should be as simple as activating the cas.fulleditmode cheat, going to CAS, clicking the opposite gender symbol to what your Sim already is which will shrink them down. Clicking the gender symbol they should be. Then exit CAS.

Quote:
Originally Posted by liljosiej
Thank you for this mod! Is there a way I can adjust the height that teens default to? I looked at the presets you mentioned by Nivea and I like their heights, but I'd like the height to be auto like this mod.

There is a way to edit the value. I'll have a look at putting a mini guide together tomorrow. It requires the use of s4pe since s4studio seems to corrupt the package if edits are made to it after the initial save.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Field Researcher
#50 Old 21st May 2020 at 1:37 AM
Totally agree with the others that the game should have been like this from the start. I don't know what we'd do without talented modders fixing what shouldn't have needed to be fixed in the first place!

The only strange thing I've noticed is that if I play a teen that ages up to young adult while in my household, he remains teen-sized as a young adult. Of course it takes two mouse clicks in CAS to fix this, so it's no problem at all. Teens that age up outside my played household get taller automatically.

The left hand thing sounds horrifying and I haven't seen it yet, but I will keep an eye out for it. Anyway, thanks again!
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