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Auto Shorter Teens

by Menaceman44 Posted 16th May 2020 at 4:23 PM - Updated 13th Mar 2021 at 9:16 PM by Menaceman44 : Updated Files
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Description
This has been a long time coming.
Ever since the announcement of The Sims 4 and the realisation that Teens would be the same height as Adults I have hoped and dreamed that it would one day be possible to shorten them down with mods.

Mods were created to address this and I was overjoyed but then patches would break them only for them to never be updated.
Fantastic sliders were created to alter the heights of Sims but it all had to be done manually and then reset once a Sim aged past the Teen stage.

I wanted something that would work automatically on all Teens in the game whether played or not and return them to normal height once they passed the Teen stage.
Today I bring you just that!

Info
This mod is an amalgamation of my own work and that of several other wonderful creators used with their permission.
I would very much like to thank simmythesim for the initial early work into height sliders and a shorter Teen mod.
Luumia whos height sliders the modifiers in this mod come from.
NiveaSimsCC whos bone delta values were added to Luumia's modifiers to tweak the result more to my liking.
And CmarNYC for piecing together how to obtain the Instance values required to make this mod work.
Without the help of these wonderful creators I would not have been able to bring this to you today.

So, onto the details.
First of all this is NOT a slider or a body preset.
This mod overrides the Teen specific CAS Modifier Tuning XMLs for each of the occult types and adds in a new reference to the short height modifier.
This means that any Sim that is created as a Teen in CAS, or ages up to a Teen through normal gameplay will automatically be shorter than Adult Sims. It also means that once they age past the Teen stage they will return to the default height for an Adult Sim.
You don't need to do anything different to have this mod take affect on newly created or aged Teens.

It is important to note, however, that already existing Teens will NOT automatically become shorter upon installing this mod. There is a way around this though.
Open the cheat console and enter the cas.fulleditmode cheat. Now take the existing Teen Sim into CAS either through a mirror, dresser, or other method. Once in CAS you need to change either the Sim's frame or gender and then switch back for the shorter height to be applied. You can then exit CAS.

I haven't noticed any oddities when Teens interact with or carry Toddlers or small pets.
A useful side effect of this mod makes it easier to identify Teens from the Relationships and Household Members panels as their pictures will appear lower in the frame when compared to Adults.

I hope you all enjoy your (mostly) automatically shorter Teens!

Notes
As with all height related mods there will be some clipping of animations and certain interactions between Sims of different heights may not align correctly. Correcting those is outside the scope of this mod although I have tried to use values that reduce this.
Teens and Young Adults uploaded to the Gallery will be flagged as containing CC. Pointed out to me by Spiderses. I forgot to check Gallery usage.
This mod is, as far as I am aware and have tested, compatible with other height slider mods. This means you can alter the individual heights of Sims still, including Teens, if you like with the use of other CC sliders.
When creating a Sim and selecting a new body preset for a Teen they may reset to Adult height. To fix this simply swap their gender and then swap back again. Swapping frames does not work in this situation.
On one occassion during testing, after editing a pre-existing Teen their left hand went missing after exiting CAS. After a few minutes of in-game time the hand returned on its own.
If you use Khitsule's pointy ears unlocker then make sure to choose one of the "PlusEarsUnlocker" versions.
This mod also corrects an EA error where the tuning for Teen Spellcasters incorrectly classifies them as Vampires instead.

Conflicts


The mod will conflict with CaS Modifiers bugfix: Aging & Randomization by Shimrod101 although that mod may no longer work anyway since the other modifiers used in it seem to have been removed from the game files.
It will also conflict with Pointy Ears Unlocked - All Ages by Khitsune. If you use this, make sure to download the "PlusEarsUnlocker" version instead and place the file in an Override folder.

March 12th 2021
In an attempt to address the issue where Teens will not get taller when aging to Young Adults for some players, I have recreated the mod with fresh tuning and now included the Young Adult modifier tunings with minor alterations as well.

26th May 2020
Thanks to the feedback from cedrigo I have made it so that Teens necks will now scale down to better suit the smaller propotions. This will affect all Sims as there are no seperate modifiers for the different gender options.
DClick mentioned that this mod conflicts with Khitsule's Pointy Ears Unlocker and so I have added a new version which should mean you can keep both files in your game and still have access to the pointy ears modifiers for Teens.
Lastly, FullMetalAlchemist requested a version that uses the same height as NiveaSimsCC's Teen Preset. There are two versions of this. One with the pointed ears unlocked and one without.
If you spot anything iffy please let me know. I had to edit a lot of numerical values for all the new versions and my eyes might have missed something.

Additional Credits:
MorphMaker,
Sims4Studio,
s4pe.

You must have the expansion, game version or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

Sims 4
Built with Game Version: 1.71.86.10
Key: - File was updated after upload was posted
Filename - Tip: You can click the magnifying glass to see the archive contents Size Downloads Date
MMautoShorterTeensShortestPlusEarsUnlocker.zip | For players who want the shortest Teens and also use Khitsule's pointy ears unlocker.

Size: 40.2 KB · Downloads: 13,695 · 12th Mar 2021
40.2 KB 13,695 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeensShortest.zip | Alternate version to make Teens even shorter. Same height as NiveaSimsCC's Teen preset.

Size: 40.1 KB · Downloads: 20,550 · 12th Mar 2021
40.1 KB 20,550 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeensPlusEarsUnlocker.zip | Same as basic file but also unlocks pointed ear manipulation for users of Khitsule's unlocker.

Size: 39.9 KB · Downloads: 9,632 · 12th Mar 2021
39.9 KB 9,632 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeens.zip | Basic mod to make Teens shorter. Main download.

Size: 40.2 KB · Downloads: 58,788 · 12th Mar 2021
40.2 KB 58,788 12th Mar 2021
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Field Researcher
THANKS POST
#51 Old 21st May 2020 at 5:18 AM
Second what all of the others have said. This is a great mod. I use the height sliders, but this auto will be wonderful in addition.
Lab Assistant
THANKS POST
#52 Old 21st May 2020 at 11:12 AM
great jobl ! It works for all the teen's already created ?
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#53 Old 21st May 2020 at 1:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loryah
great jobl ! It works for all the teen's already created ?

Read the "It is important to note" bit on the main post. It works for them but not automatically. There are a few small steps to follow to apply it to them as well.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#54 Old 21st May 2020 at 8:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Menaceman44
There is a way to edit the value. I'll have a look at putting a mini guide together tomorrow. It requires the use of s4pe since s4studio seems to corrupt the package if edits are made to it after the initial save.


Wow, thank you! I look forward to your guide.
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#55 Old 21st May 2020 at 11:11 PM
Thank you Life Saver!
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#56 Old 21st May 2020 at 11:50 PM
YES! Thank you so much!
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#57 Old 22nd May 2020 at 2:30 PM
I have now added a seperate .zip that contains a text file in both .doc and .txt formats that explains how to edit the height with Sims4Studio to better suit your tastes if the default setting of this mod is too tall for you.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Field Researcher
THANKS POST
#58 Old 22nd May 2020 at 2:32 PM
Thank you so much for answering everyone's prayers with making the teens look more like teens from the other Sims games!
Can't wait to try it out!
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#59 Old 22nd May 2020 at 7:56 PM
OMG Finally!!!!! You are a true hero , I HATE sims 4 teen heigh from the beggining they just slimmer young adults ... Now I can finally enjoy and see them as a true teens . Thx really simple and good mod , changed all my sim in my world plus tested some animation ( like hug, kiss, play with toddler, cook etc) and all work so nice. I hope you can keep up this mod updated "forever" I can't play withouth this mod after that
Sorry for bad english and again thx! real life/sim saver
Test Subject
#60 Old 22nd May 2020 at 10:59 PM
Default Muchas gracias! Es un excelente mod
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexpilgrim
Este mod no afecta a los adolescentes ya presentes en el juego, tienes que entrar en CAS usando cas.editmode, y allí cambiarlos de género y de nuevo al género original para que se aplique el mod.

En los adolescentes nuevos yo sí noto la diferencia, no es drástica pero son algo más bajos que los adultos (supongo que una diferencia mucho mayor podría distorsionar las animaciones?). Puedes acumular el efecto usando además los "presets" de NiveaSims. Si aplicas los dos (el de la frente y el de las orejas) tendrás adolescentes muy muy bajitos!

Si es por otro mod en tu juego no siempre te tiene que salir un LE, prueba el método 50/50 a ver si hay suerte


Muchas gracias por explicar todo, está claro lo que debo hacer. Voy a seguir esas instrucciones.
Thank you for the explanation, it´s very clear. I will follow your instructions.

Y no importa si a mí me funciona o no, sigue siendo un excelente mod! Muchas gracias!
And it doesn´t matter if this mod works for me, it is still a great mod! Thanks!
Lab Assistant
#61 Old 23rd May 2020 at 1:49 AM
I LOVE this mod! Thanks! I do have a "better if" though: After changing the teen Sims height, they appear oddly lower in their profile picture in the lower left side of the live-mode UI. I know the children are also shorter, but the teens look a little off since the camera covers some of their faces. Can that be fixed by raising their image a little, or is that an EA thing?
Test Subject
#62 Old 23rd May 2020 at 6:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueAI
I LOVE this mod! Thanks! I do have a "better if" though: After changing the teen Sims height, they appear oddly lower in their profile picture in the lower left side of the live-mode UI. I know the children are also shorter, but the teens look a little off since the camera covers some of their faces. Can that be fixed by raising their image a little, or is that an EA thing?

Creator sad that at the first page :
"2) Nothing can be done about this I'm afraid. The position of the camera that takes the face pictures cannot be modded. At least, nobody has figured out how if it is possible. I personally find it of benefit since I can identify the Teens easier"

so can't help about it at the moment but I think too this is acceptable "bug".
Lab Assistant
#63 Old 23rd May 2020 at 8:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zsuchan
Creator sad that at the first page :
"2) Nothing can be done about this I'm afraid. The position of the camera that takes the face pictures cannot be modded. At least, nobody has figured out how if it is possible. I personally find it of benefit since I can identify the Teens easier"

so can't help about it at the moment but I think too this is acceptable "bug".

Ah, thanks for pointing that out.
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#64 Old 23rd May 2020 at 4:20 PM
Are there any animation issues??
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#65 Old 23rd May 2020 at 5:06 PM
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Originally Posted by egnite987
Are there any animation issues??

Only minor clipping with a few animations but it's not really noticeable. They can pick toddlers and small animals up fine.
This is the same with ALL height related mods and sliders because of how the animations are set up in the game to only work on one size of Sim.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Lab Assistant
#66 Old 24th May 2020 at 6:50 PM
Well done!
Hello!
First of all, thank you! I have to say, this is an amazing mod.
One of the most needed in this game imho.
Like you, I've been waiting for this to come since the game launched.
I've used the sliders and followed the work of amazing modders who fixed it anytime the game broke it (Hello toddlers!).
Lately I was too busy to keep up, but now I come back and WOW...
you've done this!
Congrats man!
I know it's the result of many months of research, trials and efforts.

If you allow me to give just a little advice to fine tune this mod, I think you should make the male teen neck a little bit thinner.
You'll get a more realistic teen silhouette.
As you narrowed the shoulders, the neck appears a little bit too thick for a teen.
It could be more like this :



Anyway, you've done a great job!
Thanx again!
Lab Assistant
#67 Old 25th May 2020 at 4:24 AM Last edited by DClick : 25th May 2020 at 4:43 AM.
Conflict Detector shows a possible clash between this and Khitsule's pointy ears unlocker, just so people know.

Edit: Did some quick testing in CAS- it looks like you can use them together if this mod has a higher priority. Human (didn't test on occults) teens won't be able to have pointy ears, but from my CAS test aging a pointy-eared child up to teen and then to YA it looks like they stay in the genetics and will come back on aging up. I didn't get any LEs or LUIEs, I'll report back if I get any during gameplay.
Test Subject
#68 Old 25th May 2020 at 4:42 PM
Hi,

Following the steps on the guide, I made the teens shorter using the max minimum value of 1 for both "offset" and "minvalue", But now the teen's bodies get wierd shapes (see picture):

https://imgur.com/a/KtUGFmD

squished heads, thick neck, bigger hands than the rest of the body and very thin hips

Is it normal or am i doing something wrong?
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#69 Old 25th May 2020 at 10:54 PM Last edited by Menaceman44 : 25th May 2020 at 11:21 PM.
Quote:
Originally Posted by FullMetalAlchemist
Hi,

Following the steps on the guide, I made the teens shorter using the max minimum value of 1 for both "offset" and "minvalue", But now the teen's bodies get wierd shapes (see picture):

https://imgur.com/a/KtUGFmD

squished heads, thick neck, bigger hands than the rest of the body and very thin hips

Is it normal or am i doing something wrong?

I admit that I never personally tested setting the values to 1 as I never wanted my Teens to be as small as Nivea's preset. I do know that Nivea's preset includes some mesh edits as well which this mod does not include so that may be what is causing the difference. I am currently working on an updated version which should hopefully fix the neck issue to some degree at least.
If you want to play around yourself then you can alter the values of any other modifier in the tuning. To find the relevant entry in the Sim Data resource, take the modifier name from the Tuning, use s4studio's Hash Generator and set it to Decimal. Then take the output from the FNV64 result to find which entry to edit.
I hope that makes sense. If not it's because I'm tired and winding down for bed.

ETA: I've just set the values to 1 in my own game and I didn't get the strange distortions that you did. I'm not sure what would cause that. Have you tried with just your modified mod in the game with everything else removed to see if something is conflicting?

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#70 Old 26th May 2020 at 2:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Menaceman44
I admit that I never personally tested setting the values to 1 as I never wanted my Teens to be as small as Nivea's preset. I do know that Nivea's preset includes some mesh edits as well which this mod does not include so that may be what is causing the difference. I am currently working on an updated version which should hopefully fix the neck issue to some degree at least.
If you want to play around yourself then you can alter the values of any other modifier in the tuning. To find the relevant entry in the Sim Data resource, take the modifier name from the Tuning, use s4studio's Hash Generator and set it to Decimal. Then take the output from the FNV64 result to find which entry to edit.
I hope that makes sense. If not it's because I'm tired and winding down for bed.

ETA: I've just set the values to 1 in my own game and I didn't get the strange distortions that you did. I'm not sure what would cause that. Have you tried with just your modified mod in the game with everything else removed to see if something is conflicting?


Hi, thank you for your reply.

I don't feel confident to change too many values as I am not actually sure what i am doing and the mod will then affect all the teens in game..too risky for me.

I don't have any other mods installed except MCCC. I will do some other tests today and see if i can make it work.

Would you mind uploading your edited version?
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#71 Old 26th May 2020 at 4:30 PM
I'll try and have a verson with the value set to 1 uploaded later today as well as a version that enables pointy ears for those that use Khitsule's pointy ear unlocker so that it won't matter that they conflict.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Mad Poster
Original Poster
#72 Old 27th May 2020 at 12:01 AM
Thanks to your feedback I have now updated the main mod to scale the neck down to better suit the Teen frame. I have also made a version that will keep the pointy ears modifier available for humans if you use Khitsule's unlocker. There are now also two additional files which will make Teens become the same size as NiveaSimsCC's Teen Preset. One of them has the pointy ears unlocked and the other doesn't.
Choose only one of these files as they will all conflict with each other.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Scholar
#73 Old 27th May 2020 at 1:49 AM
Wow, you did it after all!

So the height will now take place immediately at the birthday?

I will definitely use this mod. Thanks.
Test Subject
#74 Old 27th May 2020 at 11:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Menaceman44
Thanks to your feedback I have now updated the main mod to scale the neck down to better suit the Teen frame. I have also made a version that will keep the pointy ears modifier available for humans if you use Khitsule's unlocker. There are now also two additional files which will make Teens become the same size as NiveaSimsCC's Teen Preset. One of them has the pointy ears unlocked and the other doesn't.
Choose only one of these files as they will all conflict with each other.


thank you so much....I am using the shortest version and it works perfectly! Now i can actually distinguish a teen from a YA
Lab Assistant
THANKS POST
#75 Old 27th May 2020 at 8:06 PM
Amazing!! Thanks
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