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Auto Shorter Teens

by Menaceman44 Posted 16th May 2020 at 4:23 PM - Updated 13th Mar 2021 at 9:16 PM by Menaceman44 : Updated Files
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Description
This has been a long time coming.
Ever since the announcement of The Sims 4 and the realisation that Teens would be the same height as Adults I have hoped and dreamed that it would one day be possible to shorten them down with mods.

Mods were created to address this and I was overjoyed but then patches would break them only for them to never be updated.
Fantastic sliders were created to alter the heights of Sims but it all had to be done manually and then reset once a Sim aged past the Teen stage.

I wanted something that would work automatically on all Teens in the game whether played or not and return them to normal height once they passed the Teen stage.
Today I bring you just that!

Info
This mod is an amalgamation of my own work and that of several other wonderful creators used with their permission.
I would very much like to thank simmythesim for the initial early work into height sliders and a shorter Teen mod.
Luumia whos height sliders the modifiers in this mod come from.
NiveaSimsCC whos bone delta values were added to Luumia's modifiers to tweak the result more to my liking.
And CmarNYC for piecing together how to obtain the Instance values required to make this mod work.
Without the help of these wonderful creators I would not have been able to bring this to you today.

So, onto the details.
First of all this is NOT a slider or a body preset.
This mod overrides the Teen specific CAS Modifier Tuning XMLs for each of the occult types and adds in a new reference to the short height modifier.
This means that any Sim that is created as a Teen in CAS, or ages up to a Teen through normal gameplay will automatically be shorter than Adult Sims. It also means that once they age past the Teen stage they will return to the default height for an Adult Sim.
You don't need to do anything different to have this mod take affect on newly created or aged Teens.

It is important to note, however, that already existing Teens will NOT automatically become shorter upon installing this mod. There is a way around this though.
Open the cheat console and enter the cas.fulleditmode cheat. Now take the existing Teen Sim into CAS either through a mirror, dresser, or other method. Once in CAS you need to change either the Sim's frame or gender and then switch back for the shorter height to be applied. You can then exit CAS.

I haven't noticed any oddities when Teens interact with or carry Toddlers or small pets.
A useful side effect of this mod makes it easier to identify Teens from the Relationships and Household Members panels as their pictures will appear lower in the frame when compared to Adults.

I hope you all enjoy your (mostly) automatically shorter Teens!

Notes
As with all height related mods there will be some clipping of animations and certain interactions between Sims of different heights may not align correctly. Correcting those is outside the scope of this mod although I have tried to use values that reduce this.
Teens and Young Adults uploaded to the Gallery will be flagged as containing CC. Pointed out to me by Spiderses. I forgot to check Gallery usage.
This mod is, as far as I am aware and have tested, compatible with other height slider mods. This means you can alter the individual heights of Sims still, including Teens, if you like with the use of other CC sliders.
When creating a Sim and selecting a new body preset for a Teen they may reset to Adult height. To fix this simply swap their gender and then swap back again. Swapping frames does not work in this situation.
On one occassion during testing, after editing a pre-existing Teen their left hand went missing after exiting CAS. After a few minutes of in-game time the hand returned on its own.
If you use Khitsule's pointy ears unlocker then make sure to choose one of the "PlusEarsUnlocker" versions.
This mod also corrects an EA error where the tuning for Teen Spellcasters incorrectly classifies them as Vampires instead.

Conflicts


The mod will conflict with CaS Modifiers bugfix: Aging & Randomization by Shimrod101 although that mod may no longer work anyway since the other modifiers used in it seem to have been removed from the game files.
It will also conflict with Pointy Ears Unlocked - All Ages by Khitsune. If you use this, make sure to download the "PlusEarsUnlocker" version instead and place the file in an Override folder.

March 12th 2021
In an attempt to address the issue where Teens will not get taller when aging to Young Adults for some players, I have recreated the mod with fresh tuning and now included the Young Adult modifier tunings with minor alterations as well.

26th May 2020
Thanks to the feedback from cedrigo I have made it so that Teens necks will now scale down to better suit the smaller propotions. This will affect all Sims as there are no seperate modifiers for the different gender options.
DClick mentioned that this mod conflicts with Khitsule's Pointy Ears Unlocker and so I have added a new version which should mean you can keep both files in your game and still have access to the pointy ears modifiers for Teens.
Lastly, FullMetalAlchemist requested a version that uses the same height as NiveaSimsCC's Teen Preset. There are two versions of this. One with the pointed ears unlocked and one without.
If you spot anything iffy please let me know. I had to edit a lot of numerical values for all the new versions and my eyes might have missed something.

Additional Credits:
MorphMaker,
Sims4Studio,
s4pe.

You must have the expansion, game version or stuff packs listed below installed to use this custom content. Please see the post text for any exceptions.

Sims 4
Built with Game Version: 1.71.86.10
Key: - File was updated after upload was posted
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MMautoShorterTeensShortestPlusEarsUnlocker.zip | For players who want the shortest Teens and also use Khitsule's pointy ears unlocker.

Size: 40.2 KB · Downloads: 13,548 · 12th Mar 2021
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MMautoShorterTeensShortest.zip | Alternate version to make Teens even shorter. Same height as NiveaSimsCC's Teen preset.

Size: 40.1 KB · Downloads: 20,337 · 12th Mar 2021
40.1 KB 20,337 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeensPlusEarsUnlocker.zip | Same as basic file but also unlocks pointed ear manipulation for users of Khitsule's unlocker.

Size: 39.9 KB · Downloads: 9,534 · 12th Mar 2021
39.9 KB 9,534 12th Mar 2021
MMautoShorterTeens.zip | Basic mod to make Teens shorter. Main download.

Size: 40.2 KB · Downloads: 58,358 · 12th Mar 2021
40.2 KB 58,358 12th Mar 2021
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Lab Assistant
THANKS POST
#151 Old 15th Mar 2021 at 2:04 PM
Hi. I haven't tried modding this game and don't know much about the inner workings, yet. I am curious if you know if it is possible to create something like Consort's Grow mod for TS3? That mod made the sims grow by a percentage each night so they would get taller over time. It worked for children and teens. TS4's lack of height diversity really frustrates me and I'm reluctantly trying to figure out if it's even possible to fix it.

Thanks for this mod. I just found it today and I'm happy to have it added. I have a kid that's about to age up and I hated the idea of him going from a 10 year old to a 20 year old in a snap.
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#152 Old 15th Mar 2021 at 3:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mstybl95
Hi. I haven't tried modding this game and don't know much about the inner workings, yet. I am curious if you know if it is possible to create something like Consort's Grow mod for TS3? That mod made the sims grow by a percentage each night so they would get taller over time. It worked for children and teens. TS4's lack of height diversity really frustrates me and I'm reluctantly trying to figure out if it's even possible to fix it.

Thanks for this mod. I just found it today and I'm happy to have it added. I have a kid that's about to age up and I hated the idea of him going from a 10 year old to a 20 year old in a snap.

I know the mod you mean. I never used it in my game but I looked into it at the time it was released.
Sadly, I don't have the technical or coding knowledge to say for certain if it would be possible for TS4 although theoretically I would think it could be done through a combination of custom modifiers and hidden buffs that get applied at different stages of a life stage.
I wish you the best of luck if you decide to dive in and take a look.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#153 Old 19th Mar 2021 at 5:56 AM
Do you have any plans to make it so we can automatically shorten all existing teens in-game? thank you!
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#154 Old 19th Mar 2021 at 3:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 69ingsince94
Do you have any plans to make it so we can automatically shorten all existing teens in-game? thank you!

Sadly that's beyond my skills or what this mod can do with the way it is set up.
The only way to update existing Teens is to manually take them back into CAS with cas.fulleditmode activated and temporarily switch their gender or frame before exiting back to the game.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#155 Old 29th Mar 2021 at 7:01 AM
es maravilloso gracias por compartir
Test Subject
#156 Old 4th Apr 2021 at 9:19 PM
Default Question about portrait panel
I downloaded the shortest version of the mod. In the portrait panels, it only shows the top of their hair. Is there any way to show their faces for the portrait, or is the mod intended to be like this?
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#157 Old 4th Apr 2021 at 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by glittervvitch
I downloaded the shortest version of the mod. In the portrait panels, it only shows the top of their hair. Is there any way to show their faces for the portrait, or is the mod intended to be like this?

Sadly, it is outside the scope of this mod as the camera that takes those shots is set at a predefined height that nobody knows how to edit yet. If it ever becomes something that can be modded I will be sure to update but I wouldn't hold your breath.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#158 Old 9th Apr 2021 at 7:44 PM
Thank you so much for the mod. I've been using it for the past year, never had a problem. But yesterday I aged up the teenager I was playing (normal way with a cake) and she has stayed the short height. I tried aging her up and down in CAS, but it doesn't work. How can I fix this?
I have installed the updated version btw.
Mad Poster
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#159 Old 10th Apr 2021 at 1:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Amiranne
Thank you so much for the mod. I've been using it for the past year, never had a problem. But yesterday I aged up the teenager I was playing (normal way with a cake) and she has stayed the short height. I tried aging her up and down in CAS, but it doesn't work. How can I fix this?
I have installed the updated version btw.

Take her into CAS with cas.fulleditmode enabled. Change either her frame or gender and then change it back. This should correct the height. You can then exit CAS.
I've never been able to track down why the height doesn't always update correctly, unfortunately. Obviously my latest attempt to correct it hasn't been 100% successful.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#160 Old 11th Apr 2021 at 5:51 PM
Omg this is exactly what I wanted thanks so much, I will try it tonight I also wish for the same thing for elders so they won't look so terrifyingly tall
Lab Assistant
#161 Old 13th Apr 2021 at 11:16 PM
Will premade Sims resize upon making a new game? Or will I need to edit all of my neighbors?
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#162 Old 14th Apr 2021 at 2:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mizuki_Ukitake
Will premade Sims resize upon making a new game? Or will I need to edit all of my neighbors?

Sadly, any existing Sims will need to be updated manually. This includes premades that exist when a new Save file is created.
If you like to create new Save games often it might be a good idea to go in and update all of the Teens once, and then save that as a base to start all new saves from to save you having to do it each time.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Lab Assistant
#163 Old 25th Apr 2021 at 2:04 PM
Greetings.
Been waiting for so long for someone to finally make the height automictically, so this is now a essential mod for me.

However, I seem to have stumble over an issue, I have Khitsule pointy ears, as well as her addon's NoRandom EP01, GP04, so I got the "ears unlocker" version of your mod as instructed. But it doesn't seem to work, changed the teens gender, frame, made a new teen, deleted cache folder, deleted Luumina's height mod and anything else height related and still nothing. So I removed khitsule's mods and added in the none "ear unlocker" version of your mod and that worked like a charm.
I figured maybe the "ear unlocker" doesn't support the addons but I have no clue. I am pretty sure the problem is on my end, that I am doing something wrong. I made an overrides folder (even updated the resource file to support it) but that didn't seem to work, do I need both of your mod versions?

Thanks for reading.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that cas.fulleditmode is enabled.
Mad Poster
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#164 Old 25th Apr 2021 at 9:08 PM Last edited by Menaceman44 : 25th Apr 2021 at 10:08 PM.
You don't need multiple files for this to work. You just pick the version you want and that should be it.
I don't believe that it should conflict with the addons because they unlock presets which this mod does not touch.

I've checked the regular ears unlocked version in my game and it is working as it should for me. My Teens are shorter and I can give them pointy ears.
As one last thing to try, could you try a test game with just this mod installed of the pointy ears version? If that works then add in just the pointy ears unlocker mod and see if it still works or not. That way we can rule out any other mod interference.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Lab Assistant
#165 Old 25th Apr 2021 at 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Menaceman44
You don't need multiple files for this to work. You just pick the version you want and that should be it.
I don't believe that it should conflict with the addons because they unlock presets which this mod does not touch.

I've checked the regular ears unlocked version in my game and it is working as it should for me. My Teens are shorter and I can give them pointy ears.
As one last thing to try, could you try a test game with just this mod installed of the pointy ears version? If that works then add in just the pointy ears unlocker mod and see if it still works or not. That way we can rule out any other mod interference.

I am not sure I follow. Your normal version (none ear unlocker) works just fine. The unlocker and khitsune does not, I can try and test the game with just the unlocker and leave out khitsune if that's what you meant? (sorry not native English speaker, I read your sentence like 5 times and still can't make heads and tails of it)
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#166 Old 26th Apr 2021 at 5:32 PM Last edited by Menaceman44 : 26th Apr 2021 at 6:57 PM. Reason: Testing Result
Sorry. I could probably have worded that better.
I tried my ear unlocker version in my own game with no other mods and it works fine. My Teens are shorter and I can give them pointy ears.
I have not tried it with khitsune's mod together yet so I should do that to test properly.

If you want to test any further for yourself, try my unlocked ear version on its own with no other mods to see if it works. If it works, then add in khitsune's mod and see if it still works. If it still works then it must be something else interfering.

ETA:
If I just put both mods in my Mods folder the shorter Teens won't work because it is getting loaded after Khitsune's mod.
If I put the shorter Teens mod in an Overrides folder then everything works as it should. Teens get shorter and every age can still have their ears made pointy.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
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THANKS POST
#167 Old 4th May 2021 at 7:16 PM
Thank you so much for this mod! I hope you can keep it updated for a long time since it's a most in my game now!!
Test Subject
#168 Old 6th May 2021 at 3:33 AM
Would it be a possibility to mod where the camera zooms in CAS? Unfortunately with the shorter height, the teens bottom half of their face isn't accessible in detail edit mode. I know I've seen a different mod around here that made the toddlers sit up higher in CAS, so I feel like it is possible somehow??
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#169 Old 6th May 2021 at 3:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SunnyDae
Would it be a possibility to mod where the camera zooms in CAS? Unfortunately with the shorter height, the teens bottom half of their face isn't accessible in detail edit mode. I know I've seen a different mod around here that made the toddlers sit up higher in CAS, so I feel like it is possible somehow??

CAS camera positions still can't be edited as of right now. I personally have zero experience with altering how or where a Sim stands in CAS so for now the best option is to edit your Sims as Young Adults and then age them down to Teens.
Sorry that's not the answer you may have liked but it's all I can offer at the moment.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
THANKS POST
#170 Old 9th Jun 2021 at 7:30 PM
I've been wanting something like this forever! So glad I logged on MTS today lol.
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#171 Old 25th Jun 2021 at 5:56 PM
Amazing!!!! Thank you so very much!!!
Please a question, is it possible to use both the Shorter and Shortest versions? Or is it only one version?
Again, I love it!!!
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#172 Old 25th Jun 2021 at 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RedMallie
Amazing!!!! Thank you so very much!!!
Please a question, is it possible to use both the Shorter and Shortest versions? Or is it only one version?
Again, I love it!!!

Thanks.
You can only use one version in your game at a time as they both alter the same files.
If you would like certain Sims to be shorter than others than I can recommend the presets by NiveaSimsCC linked on the main page. They have to be applied manually but they can be used at the same time as this mod.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
Test Subject
#173 Old 7th Jul 2021 at 4:14 PM
Hello i love your mod. I have a problem. When i put this into my mods folder, particular young adult sims becomes instantly shorter and he (and only him) ''snaps out of it'' when i put the mod out of my folder. How can i reset him? How can i prevent that from happening thanks.


And is this a mod that breaks often after a patch?
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#174 Old 7th Jul 2021 at 8:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PreCiious
Hello i love your mod. I have a problem. When i put this into my mods folder, particular young adult sims becomes instantly shorter and he (and only him) ''snaps out of it'' when i put the mod out of my folder. How can i reset him? How can i prevent that from happening thanks.


And is this a mod that breaks often after a patch?

That's a new one on me. I'm afraid to say that I've never come across any Young Adults becoming shorter with the mod. I've had people report that shorter Teens aren't getting taller when they age into Young Adults but I've still never been able to fully fix that or reproduce it in my game yet.

As for how often it needs updating, the files I've modified seem to get altered very little so a patch breaking it is unlikely except for if a new occult life state gets added to the game. It wouldn't really break then but wouldn't work on the new occult until it was updated.

My deviantART, MTS Yearbook Origin ID = Alistu
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