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#1 Old 4th Jun 2019 at 11:56 PM
Default Tips to record game play?
I'd like to record sims 3 under different conditions to easily compare the effects. I'd also like it to look as much as possible what it does look like to me IRL - not better nor worse.
Any suggestions for the software and the format?
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#2 Old 5th Jun 2019 at 12:02 AM
I've always used Fraps, it produces giant files and it impacts your performance somewhat but the recordings are virtually uncompressed and couldn't look more like you'd want them to.

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#3 Old 5th Jun 2019 at 1:56 AM
Fraps is definitely better in terms of both quality and performance. TS3 does not like a 2ndary program in the background. Open Broadcaster is sufficient in sense it will compress as it records, so it saves space, or it even lets you stream live. You can get it to have really good quality too but the higher the quality, the more resource for compression, the more it affects your game, so it affects the smoothness of your recording.

The issue with Fraps as mentioned above is it saves in huge file sizes, virtually uncompressed. This is an issue in the sense that it takes up a lot of space, but also when you are writing such big files it conflicts with the game's dynamic loading and caching, which then creates lag too. I'm sure this is much better on SSD, but of course if you want best performance is to record on a ramdisk. The problem with that of course is Ramdisk tend to be too small for the job, you can only record for a few minutes.

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#4 Old 5th Jun 2019 at 1:54 PM
Alright, Fraps does capture it perfectly aside from not recording desktop. I can only start recording when in game, I want to record my desktop. Yes, also got a performance hit. Normally get 60fps but while fraps is recording it is around 30-40 thus not giving me really authentic footage of the true gameplay.

I tried open broadcaster. It can record desktop too, but it does that thing where the game looks very dark and it doesn't capture reshade.
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#5 Old 5th Jun 2019 at 2:00 PM
Yeah, OBS is a big bummer in that regard. I can't use it for more reasons than mentioned here, which is a real shame because it's a good tool.

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#6 Old 5th Jun 2019 at 2:24 PM
Does anybody know why TS3 does that dark screenshot/video thing? And why is fraps still able to fix that?
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#7 Old 5th Jun 2019 at 2:58 PM
Pretty sure Fraps hooks into the game executable and uses the frame buffer or some technical crap like that, whereas OBS simply screen-captures the window. What OBS essentially does is the next best thing to pointing a camcorder at your screen and recording the whole thing like that, whereas Fraps draws from the output of the GPU......I think.

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#8 Old 5th Jun 2019 at 7:21 PM Last edited by Giga : 5th Jun 2019 at 8:04 PM.
I wish I could force OBS to whatever fraps is doing.

edit: I do have a problem with fraps too. It blows out reshade settings. e.g. the UI looks washed out in fraps recording. IRL it looks fine.
Nevermind, it forgot tick lossless RGB
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#9 Old 5th Jun 2019 at 11:22 PM Last edited by nitromon : 6th Jun 2019 at 12:31 AM.
You can adjust the gamma correction of OBS recording so it doesn't look that dark. But if you're unsatisfied with the FPS tax from Fraps, OBS FPS tax is much higher due to the compression in the background. Also OBS allows you to setup different recording sourse. You can record directly from the GPU output (which is probably why it is dark) or set up to record desktop (which I think will correct that darkness issue without adjusting gamma, I could be wrong been a while since I tried it). Record desktop of course means it will be even slower and less smooth than from directly out of the GPU.

If you want Frap to record desktop, just check the "monitor AERO desktop" on the front tab. Btw, 20 FPS tax on Fraps seems high. I record on ramdisk, the FPS tax is at most 5 FPS.

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#10 Old 6th Jun 2019 at 12:02 AM
Sims 3 looks dark with OBS in both, game or display capture but there is very little FPS loss. I also tried with different color formats. Do I need to get an external program to adjust the gamma correction?
I also tried Bandicam, same issue: dark. I have also tried it with different codecs
I do not have the option to check the "monitor AERO desktop" in fraps: https://imgur.com/Q4Dyb10
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#11 Old 6th Jun 2019 at 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Giga
Sims 3 looks dark with OBS in both, game or display capture but there is very little FPS loss. I also tried with different color formats. Do I need to get an external program to adjust the gamma correction?


No, the gamma correction is in the "profile setting." Right click on the capture profile you've created for TS3, goto "properties," you'll see a gamma correction bar on the bottom.

I think in your case OBS works better b/c your CPU is hi-end, so it can handle the compression without much affect on the gameplay. The Fraps FPS tax comes from the disc cache while it records, which cannot be reduced via CPU or any other improvement other than disc write speed, which is why the faster your writing the smoother it is such as SSD, RAMdisk etc...

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I do not have the option to check the "monitor AERO desktop" in fraps: https://imgur.com/Q4Dyb10


Ah, you're using the unregistered version, which only lets you record 30 seconds? And it doesn't have the AERO option. That or that build doesn't have it. I use build 15618, which is older than that build.

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#12 Old 6th Jun 2019 at 12:49 AM Last edited by Giga : 6th Jun 2019 at 1:20 AM.
I don't have that option https://imgur.com/hyyXFlA
I found something through the filters but then realised that my desktop is also going to be blown out
Yes, I got the free version of fraps. Is it still possible to buy it? There is just a link to a paypal and the last update was in 2013/

edit: The color correction filter where I found the gamma slider does it make it a little bit better but still not the same as it should look.
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#13 Old 6th Jun 2019 at 1:53 AM
Don't even bother to run OBS with gamma correction if you want the best picture quality.....the way OBS records it, you're losing a lot of detail and nothing can bring it back. Trust me I've tried it all.

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#14 Old 6th Jun 2019 at 4:28 AM Last edited by nitromon : 6th Jun 2019 at 8:23 AM.
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Originally Posted by Giga
I don't have that option


I have an older version of OBS, but I'm sure the options is still there. Check the screenshots attached.

The quality is obviously not as good as Fraps b/c it is compressed. But if you leave it uncompressed, it can be just as good. It all depends on what you want to do with the videos.



Screenshots

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#15 Old 6th Jun 2019 at 12:35 PM
Whereabouts I can set it to be uncompressed? This what the settings look like
https://imgur.com/jdeWztZ
https://imgur.com/6LOAD6N
https://imgur.com/SL5R0al
So is that youtube video in uncompressed format with gamma set to 1.3? When I try to record and apply gamma it makes the UI and colors off
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#16 Old 6th Jun 2019 at 1:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Giga
Whereabouts I can set it to be uncompressed?


Hmm I guess you can't. There's an option to turn off compression for preview, I thought there is one for recording. Under encoder, is there a choice for uncompressed? Otherwise simply set the bitrate to a ridiculous number.


Quote:
So is that youtube video in uncompressed format with gamma set to 1.3? When I try to record and apply gamma it makes the UI and colors off


No I record only at 1000 kb/s bitrate and the 14 min video is approx 650MB in size, so the quality is not very good. But yes, this is recorded fullscreen with gamma corrected at 1.3.

The dark color issue also doesn't seem to show up when I record in window mode if you want to try that. For me it only happens in fullscreen recording. In window mode, the recording looks exactly like the video.

It really depends on what you want to do with the videos. Since I tend to upload them to youtube etc, I would usually recompress them again to a smaller size. If I am going to recompress them, then I might as well make the changes during recompression. So if you want to do that, I suggest recording it without gamma correction and just leaving it dark and set the bitrate to a yuge number near uncompressed. Then simply make adjustments with video editing software such as virtualdub to adjust the color, brightness, etc... and compress it to whatever size you want.

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#17 Old 6th Jun 2019 at 2:04 PM
Yeah that doesn't actually look half bad for an unembellished gameplay video. If you're running a vanilla game and you don't intend to do anything particularly visual I can imagine it's perfectly satisfying in terms of image quality and color depth.

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#18 Old 6th Jun 2019 at 4:29 PM
I don't get how did you manage to fix the darkness issue with the gamma slider. I put it to 1.3 as well and it looked horrible.
So here it is what it is supposed to look like: https://imgur.com/CSjNy4g
here it is what it looks like without gamma played on VLC https://imgur.com/bsdHEb4
here with gamma: https://imgur.com/CcDSC4i see where the moodlets are, how the UI looks bad

Could it be that VLC player it making it look worse? as when I try to fix gamma & brightness in OBS preview window the UI doesn't get that look
edit: here us what the preview in OBS looks like in full window: https://imgur.com/raxqjEp
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#19 Old 6th Jun 2019 at 10:37 PM Last edited by nitromon : 6th Jun 2019 at 10:55 PM.
I'm sorry, maybe I'm not very observant... but I honestly can't tell what the problem is with the UI? It looks fine to me. The only difference I see between the gamma corrected screenshot and the preview OBS is the gamma corrected looks a little brighter.

Am I missing something?

Here's your preview:


Here's your gamma corrected:



Every system is slightly different, perhaps you don't need it that bright? Try lowering it to 1.2.

Also, you might be correct if your VLC has been modified? Were you watching something before which you set the VLC gamma up? I know that some of my cartoon files (yes, I'm an adult who watches cartoons. ) I set the VLC sharpness up and then later I forget to return it back to normal.


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I can imagine it's perfectly satisfying in terms of image quality and color depth.


Yeah, it's pretty alright for youtube uploading especially when youtube is going to recompress it again anyways. But the real problem, of at least one I noticed, is the minor hiccups. You can tell from certain points when the FPS drops, sometimes 30 FPS drop, but the game was still running smooth. Yet other times the FPS remained at 60, yet you can see minor mini skips. These hiccups are not caught in the FPS indicator and is caused by the shared resource of OBS recording and compressing. Even on a quad core i7, it is noticeable. I'm wondering whether it is actually better if I reduce the priority on the recorder.
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#20 Old 6th Jun 2019 at 11:17 PM
The preview is a bit blown out while the gamma corrected one has a more compressed range. The whites aren't a very nice white, the blacks aren't a very nice black, and that means everything in between is going to be a little bit off. I'm also seeing some weird pixel issues that look like an unconventional type of dithering or interlacing. Either way, it'd bug me enough to rerecord the whole thing into the awkwardly large files Fraps puts out. I throw away enough money to be able to do Bridgeport'88 and other videos already, so an extra hard drive wouldn't hurt much. I think you can get 10 terabytes for under €250 nowadays, that'll get you about 4 full DAYS' worth of uncompressed QHD footage.

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#21 Old 7th Jun 2019 at 12:18 AM
I need to set up VLC for gamma? I have never fiddled with any VLC settings. Btw, which program did you use to process your vid and which format? maybe vcl will then show the video correctly.
I'm talking about these bits and they're bothering me, maybe they don't show as much in the pictures uploaded on imgur but IRL it looks bad. I tried with 1.3 gamma and yes it was too much. those pics here are taken with gamma 0.82 and contrast 0.17 and it looks pretty good in the OBS preview window but then again bad in actual recoding viewed with vlc



Pi, Do you see that unconventional type of dithering or interlacing issue in all pics? my reshade settings are far from perfect so i wouldn't be surprised
Also I have you managed to play sims in windowed mode without reshade making everything blurry? If I put sims in windowed I have to turn off all my shaders.
I'd use fraps but I get a hit in FPS and it gets choppy. Also towards the end of the recording, the audio becomes really bad

edit: god dammit I managed to misspell every word in the pic
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#22 Old 7th Jun 2019 at 12:42 AM
Hmm, if you've never touched vlc setting, then you shouldn't worry about it. I still use Microsoft Media Player as 2ndary player should I ever need to compare and contrast.

I can say though, the line on the wall that disappeared in the recorded video? That may be due to the compressor? I'll just write out my settings for you, they're not the best but I got it off a website.

Under Encoding:
Encoder - x264 (I noticed you use Nvidia NVENC?)
CBR - unchecked
Quality balance - 10
Bitrate - 1000
Use Custom buffer size - checked
buffer size - 0 (I don't know why)

Audio - AAC, 44.1, 128, stero

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Under video:
Resolution - 1920x1080
Resolution downscale - none
FPS - 60
Disable Aero - checked

Advanced:
x264 cpu preset - veryfast
encoding profile - high
key frame interval - 0 (auto)
use CFR - checked
all others - unchecked

That's pretty much it.

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Also, I noticed your resolution is not downscaled, but there was a downscaler filter selected? Does that affect anything? I don't have these functions in my version b/c it is older. I simply chose no downscaler and everything else is greyed out.

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#23 Old 7th Jun 2019 at 2:18 AM Last edited by Giga : 7th Jun 2019 at 2:33 AM.
I tested the vid with media player and I got the same thing.
My bit rate was set 280000 when recording that, if I increase it, I get an error "Starting the output failed"

Yes, I'm using Nvidia NVENC new because it is supposed to be the superior one. I think I tried with x264 but i'll try again. Yes, the quality stayed the same but I also got performance issues. However, I finally found an uncompressed format. That doesn't seem to look any better though: https://i.imgur.com/l6M3OrK.jpg

There is no option to not choose a downscale filter I think. Best of the 3 options is the Lanczos
Edit; okay I changed into RGB and now the preview pic and the video matches (in VLC, media player won't play the vids anymore). At least I think so.

Thank you :D
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#24 Old 31st Dec 2020 at 1:16 PM
Heyho!

I´m going to be recording a lot of video ingame.
The desired quality is very high, 1920x1080 30fps uncompressed, which gives a data rate of ~180MB/s!
So I will obviously need another drive in the Terabyte range, and use it with a command line workaround to store files on another drive.

Does anyone have experience shooting video on classical HDD? They are not fast enough, but maybe there is hope the files are stored in RAM to compensate?
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#25 Old 31st Dec 2020 at 5:23 PM
My 5TB external HDDs have no trouble at all keeping up, they're fast enough. Tiny little 2.5" things. Paid €130 for each a few years ago.

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