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Mad Poster
#51 Old 28th Jun 2018 at 4:57 PM Last edited by nitromon : 28th Jun 2018 at 5:47 PM.
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Originally Posted by SneakyWingPhoenix
@nitromon If Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, then what is lol? I think people say that because 'it's better than nothing what we have close to the wikipedia, lol.


Last time I checked, Wikipedia cannot be used as sources in most academic work (unacceptable in any master or doctorate level academia, but I'm not sure b/c I don't know the policies of other countries or even the various level and credibility of universities). Also, depending on the type of topic especially sensitive ones such as historical/political/religon, even if they have more credible sources, they can be biased by only listing favoring one side. Keep in mind, it is regarded as a "public" opinionated webpedia and can be edited by peers rather than academically recognized sources.

(I should also note that even in scientific topics unrelated to historical/political/religion, they can be biased by endorsing 1 scientific theory over another. I find that quite disturbing actually, considering again most people who had not had the discipline of academic research takes what wikipedia says as factual or credible. An example that comes to the top of my head is concerning the anthropological debate over the single exodus theory or the dual exodus theory concerning migration of mankind out of Africa. I haven't actually checked it on wiki lately, as it is constantly being edited and changed. But the last time I read it on there, I was quite peeved they completely dismissed the dual exodus theory in favor of the single exodus theory simply b/c it was the older theory and was more widely accepted. It completely ignored the fact the dual exodus theory was a "rising theory" among the academia and I believe today has become the more widely accepted theory.

Either way it shouldn't have endorsed one theory over another, but should list all theories objectively. That's what encyclopedia is for, to provide information. No doubt whoever edited that page at the time was probably a credible cultural anthropologist, but he was biased and favored the view he supported.)

For example, we don't have to go into deep talks about politics/religion, etc... just the latest Star Wars: The Last Jedi page was completely BS and bogus concerning the critical reviews and how well it did in the market. It listed sources such as IMBD, Metacritic, and Rotten Tomatoes, which I suppose are legit sources for movies. But it listed only what it wanted to list, such as the high "critic" scores, but omitting mostly negative critic reviews.

It also posted audience reviews only from those which were favorable. It actually expressed that Rotten Tomatoes audience score was low b/c they were all fake troll scores claiming it was an awesome movie but some people just hate it and trolled it. Come on. That's not "fact." That's not even speculation.

I watched the movie, it was terrible. I've talked to many people, read many forums, and the general consensus match the audience score, which is 46%. Even if you disagree with that, how can they make an "opinionated" comment on this low score as "manipulated" yet praise a high positive 90% audience score as "not manipulated?" Without any evidence or facts? If they want to be credible, they should just list all the scores without injecting their own opinion and let the reader decide.

Then there was a "lock" on that page to prevent anyone from editing for like 2 months or something, basically until after the movie is no longer playing b/c obviously Disney paid them off.

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I should mention that I'm only answer this b/c someone asked. But it is completely off topic. My original reaction wasn't b/c I thought the map was wrong. It was simply b/c I didn't think 40 floors is considered high and was surprised they were not more abundant in developed nations.

Well considering this is where I use to live, you can see why I thought highrises were common in major cities.

Sanity is overrated.

Nitromon is a type of Pokemon encountered in the Pokemon Nitrome Version series.

There. Mystery solved.
Theorist
#52 Old 28th Jun 2018 at 6:14 PM
Beautiful city. Where is that?
Mad Poster
#53 Old 28th Jun 2018 at 6:35 PM
Personally I think 40 floors is enormous. Anything over 10-15 is tall, anything over 30 is skyscraper-like. There's buildings over 100 floors nowadays, but all but a few of them are in places like Southeast Asia and the UAE. I can't imagine they're commercially viable; there has to be some factor of "fuck you, we're rich" in there. This happened in the US too, on occasion, but it never caught on.
America invented the skyscraper and was already building them en masse in the early 20th. We built a few smaller ones here and there but didn't commit to the idea till the 80s-90s, and in Asia they had a bit of an influx of wealth and are now building these comically oversized towers everywhere. I'm not yet convinced that they'll turn out to be a good idea in the long run. Because if they were, we'd be building them in this hemisphere.

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Department of Post-Mortem Communications
#54 Old 28th Jun 2018 at 6:55 PM
So, according to google that's Busan in South Korea, fitting my "emerging countries" filter. I suppose that there wasn't very much there to begin with so acquiring the plot and building without any neighbours complaining must have been easier.

Because I was just thinking that there's another factor why old cities in Europe don't have many skyscrapers in the city centre: you need a huge piece of land first and that means you'll need deep pockets because the plots in cities are small and you will need to pay off a lot of owners. The highrises I have in my city are therefore either on formerly war torn land, in the suburbs or on big enough pieces of land that was in the possession of one owner (like the city government) and that was sold as a whole.
Plus streets in old cities tend to be narrow; the logistics involved to build there without tearing down a whole quarter must be immense, i.e. too expensive, and you'd probably have to relocate hundreds of people.
Mad Poster
#55 Old 28th Jun 2018 at 7:13 PM
Not only that, but the population density in old European cities is very high and those people will fight tooth and nail to preserve their view, their sunlight and their relative privacy. Over here we don't really bother with building massive towers in the middle of old town: Amsterdam builds whatever they want wherever they want, as long as it can't be seen from old town. Rotterdam doesn't really have anywhere to build that isn't postwar already, and other cities like The Hague and Eindhoven prefer to build in places that might at one point have had some sort of old town, that got torn down ages ago.

In Paris they tried it once and everyone hated it. Now in most of the rest of Europe, as far as I know, they don't have that luxury. Those towers have to go somewhere and it just as well might be across the street from your 18th century condo.

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dodgy builder
#56 Old 28th Jun 2018 at 7:36 PM
Where I live space is limited from a natural point of view as well. Every buildable plot in my country has som sort of terrain you have to negotiate. Some of the norwegian fjords are so steep, whatever building you make will be lower ... I presume. Like in Austria, building big buildings between the mountains isn't easy.
Lab Assistant
#57 Old 28th Jun 2018 at 9:41 PM
First the 'on fleek' thread, now that... you guys are really terrible at staying on-topic
Mad Poster
#58 Old 28th Jun 2018 at 9:53 PM
It's the weather. Too damn hot!

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Department of Post-Mortem Communications
#59 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 12:35 AM
To be frank, I don't really know what this thread is actually about. Is it about a TS3 world in the making? Well, then it is the wrong section anyway and belongs to "Creator Feedback". This is Discussion, and discussion is what we will do.
If it is about general ideas on how to structure a city world, well, then we are on-topic.

But, okay, I'll give my two cents on the original post. A world that contains everything from all EPs, including universities and some sort of adventuring, and is still supposed to be teeming with life - my prediction? It will be unplayable, at least for the majority of people. I mean, how many lots will you need for this then?
nitromon already pointed to the Paris world as being too big and, IIRC, that one is still unpopulated.

And in more seriousness, how can you make a city world with apartments, tombs, universities and what not with only the base game and Pets as requirements? No tombs without WA, no apartments or city life without LN and no universities without UL
Mad Poster
#60 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 1:08 AM
Yeah as far as the actual topic of the thread goes, there's very little to work with. But we're creative folk here, we'll merrily chit-chat our way through.

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Mad Poster
#61 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 1:59 AM Last edited by nitromon : 29th Jun 2018 at 2:11 AM.
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Originally Posted by daisylee
Beautiful city. Where is that?


Specifically it is a part of Busan called Centum City, which is really like a futuristic city.


Quote:
Originally Posted by GrijzePilion
Personally I think 40 floors is enormous. Anything over 10-15 is tall, anything over 30 is skyscraper-like. There's buildings over 100 floors nowadays, but all but a few of them are in places like Southeast Asia and the UAE. I can't imagine they're commercially viable; there has to be some factor of "fuck you, we're rich" in there.


Yah me too, I think 40 floors is ... very high. (I should clarify b/c I said earlier I didn't think 40 floor is high. I'm getting caught in a loop here. I just didn't think 40 floor was uncommon) Also, they're economically viable only depending on population. I know the Taiwan 101 tower has been losing money ever since their construction and it could never break the 60% occupancy or something. It was built for pride (one of the tallest in the world), not because it actually made financial sense.

(I should also apologize for my word choice earlier if I offended anyone. I didn't mean like height of building is some sort of indicator of a nation's development. I recall originally this topic derived from discussion over how some countries like to keep their cultural environment, so they may have limited their building height, style, etc... And also again, I overlooked population and economic viability. )

Sanity is overrated.

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There. Mystery solved.
Mad Poster
#62 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 2:21 AM
That probably goes for every "world's tallest building" since the Empire State. Especially that kilometer-tall thing they're building in Saudi. Towns like that were nothing more than primitive settlements not 50 years ago, and we're supposed to believe that they're the great economic hubs of the 21st century now? I'm sure that holds up for a place like Hong Kong or Shanghai or whatever, but I don't see Dubai being much more than a big fad. We had our period of obscene wealth, it lasted about 50 years, we ran the most valuable corporation in human history (still is) out of the most important city in the world (not so much anymore). It may never have officially ended, but it certainly would've if we were reckless enough to build anything that far-fetched.

Either way, I'm not entirely sure what conclusions can be drawn here but it would seem that cultural preservation, in terms of cityscapes, is a thing that is reserved for the wealthier countries. Some countries build giant towers because they can, others DON'T build giant towers because they can. Building a really tall building is by no means an art. The art is building a really tall building that makes sense, that looks good and that improves the lives of everyone involved.

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Theorist
#63 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 2:37 AM
I worked for a few years on the 21st floor in San Francisco and we could look out the windows and see guys walking. There was construction next door and the workers were walking on the girders are they called (?) like they were walking on the ground. Terrifying to look at. LOL OMG how can they do that????? Nerves of steel for sure, and balance.
Mad Poster
#64 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 2:56 AM
Yeah I can't even think about doing that. I was up on an 85th floor a few years ago and wouldn't even step onto the observation deck. It had very tall fences around it and directly below it was another, wider deck, but I would not come close to that edge. Hell I barely made it up that last flight of stairs, even though the interior of the building was little more than thick concrete walls at that point. Might have to settle for that 59th floor one they're building near me. All glass, that's gotta be fun.

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Original Poster
#65 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 3:05 AM
Requesting moderator locks the thread. Reason : Topic is going inevitably off-topic.
Mad Poster
#66 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 3:06 AM
Maybe don't start a thread if you don't really have a topic to begin with?

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Original Poster
#67 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 3:08 AM
I had a topic but you guys took it off the rails.
Theorist
#68 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 3:30 AM
As suggested, perhaps post in creator feedback, but I would wait until you are much farther along on this project. Wait until there is a partially done world to see and folks can comment on. And/or, listen to the advice of some of us that your plans may be too ambitious and what you want to do may be unplayable? I would hate to see you spend years on something that maybe others and maybe even you would not be able to use.
Department of Post-Mortem Communications
#69 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 9:10 AM Last edited by Don Babilon : 29th Jun 2018 at 10:21 AM.
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Originally Posted by Trylk248
I had a topic but you guys took it off the rails.
Maybe you could respond to those questions and points raised by others that do refer to your topic then? By doing that one can get a thread back on track.

So, I do have a few questions and points:

- In your initial post you said that the minimum requirements are the base game and Pets. This is impossible if you want to keep all the ideas you have of what one can do in this world. You already went beyond that yourself when you posted the picture of the square with the subway stations; they are from Late Night.
You should probably edit that post and say that all EPs will be required.

- The lot(s) with the subway stations raises another question: can one control the behaviour of subway stations? Like limiting the range of one and make it such that you can only use the, for example, left one to get to a specific point? If not then this lot might be nice to look at but will not be very useful, especially for people who use mods to enable all Sims living in a world to use the subway. They might end up travelling in circles from one station to the next.

- I don't understand what you mean by map and maps. In the pictures and one of your videos you use the Champs les Sims map, and in another video the Oasis Landing map. So, what is it that you are actually trying to do? One big world that contains everything and you just haven't decided what map to use as a base, or are you really working on all of them? But why?

- Impeccable routing is NOT the cure-all for bad performance; the difference between okay routing and perfect routing can in fact be minimal when it comes to overall performance. Personally I have never seen that big of a difference when using an original EA world and then the version of that world with fixed routing. Instead my computer struggles with worlds that are too big and too populated, no matter how polished the map is.

And as an aside, I would actually be thankful when people use my thread to chat during my absence. Because unless I update it more regularly myself this will keep my thread on the top of the forum. Plus I can learn useful things, like if I aim for a European-style city I'd probably be well served to not make it look like Busan.
Top Secret Researcher
#70 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 12:56 PM
I think they want you to join their discord for creating this... whatever this is. They just dropped the link subtly, so to not break any forum rules or not seem like a douche, Ended up a bit bigger douche this way tho...
Mad Poster
#71 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 2:54 PM
Don't actually join the Discord though or you'll find out what a douche this guy really is....let's just say that no one's ever talked to me like that before, and if they had, I'd (rightfully) punched them in the face for it.
You entitled fuck.

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Test Subject
Original Poster
#72 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 8:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Don Babilon
- In your initial post you said that the minimum requirements are the base game and Pets. This is impossible if you want to keep all the ideas you have of what one can do in this world. You already went beyond that yourself when you posted the picture of the square with the subway stations; they are from Late Night.
You should probably edit that post and say that all EPs will be required.

Thanks for raising up the point. I forgot to mention that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Babilon
- The lot(s) with the subway stations raises another question: can one control the behavior of subway stations? Like limiting the range of one and make it such that you can only use the, for example, left one to get to a specific point? If not then this lot might be nice to look at but will not be very useful, especially for people who use mods to enable all Sims living in a world to use the subway. They might end up traveling in circles from one station to the next.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Babilon
- I don't understand what you mean by map and maps. In the pictures and one of your videos you use the Champs Les Sims map, and in another video the Oasis Landing map. So, what is it that you are actually trying to do? One big world that contains everything and you just haven't decided what map to use as a base, or are you really working on all of them? But why?

No, I was trying (yesterday) to do something else... Yesterday I shown earlier the progress on the project. Then I wanted to build (a random build off the project). And no, I want a map (PLAYABLE WORLD) where you can find Nectaries, fields that you can own (planned for Country-side maps), bars, apartment (High-rises/Normal buildings (Like the one I'm making in Oasis Landing (which MAYBE I will include in a Futuristic World. (SEPARATE AND WE ARE NOT THERE YET)

- Impeccable routing is NOT the cure-all for bad performance; the difference between okay routing and perfect routing can in fact be minimal when it comes to overall performance. Personally I have never seen that big of a difference when using an original EA world and then the version of that world with fixed routing. Instead my computer struggles with worlds that are too big and too populated, no matter how polished the map is.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice. I will take note of that.
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29th Jun 2018 at 8:00 PM
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Original Poster
#73 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 8:14 PM
By the way, I edited the first message.
Theorist
#74 Old 29th Jun 2018 at 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Trylk248
By the way, I edited the first message.


Perhaps delete post 39 if you are saying you have removed the discord invite?

And just IMO, but you are doing a heck of a lot of promotion, here, trello, discord, twitch for a project that is not even in the infancy stage yet, and odds are extremely good that it will never be completed. Maybe wait until you are much farther along until waving the flags on this?

As suggested before, maybe post in creator feedback when you are at least half done?
Mad Poster
#75 Old 30th Jun 2018 at 1:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GrijzePilion
Don't actually join the Discord though
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Discord? Fleek? What the hell are these things. I'm crawling back under my rock.

Sanity is overrated.

Nitromon is a type of Pokemon encountered in the Pokemon Nitrome Version series.

There. Mystery solved.
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